From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 14:09:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336BA37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from thalia.otenet.gr (thalia.otenet.gr [195.170.0.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFA743F75 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:09:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b130.otenet.gr [212.205.244.138]) by thalia.otenet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h32M9PFh009455; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:09:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h32M9Ox7054120; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:09:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h32M9O98054119; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:09:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:09:24 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Dan Naumov Message-ID: <20030402220924.GA53920@gothmog.gr> References: <3E8B093D.4010500@liwing.de> <20030402195640.GA318@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20030402232853.4d218710.dan.naumov@ofw.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030402232853.4d218710.dan.naumov@ofw.fi> cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing Sendmail X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:09:32 -0000 On 2003-04-02 23:28, Dan Naumov wrote: >On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:56:40 +0200 >Wilko Bulte wrote: >>On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 02:29:30PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >>> >>> I find an odd situation here whenever this topic comes up. One the >>> one hand, people are always wanting to split the entire base system >>> up into small packages for each little piece of the base. On the >>> other hand, one of FreeBSD's selling points in real-world >>> environments is that it doesn't have a bunch of little packages for >>> the base system like Linux distros. Do people really prefer >>> something like having rpm's for /bin/ps to having one lump base dist >>> for all of /bin, /sbin, etc.? >> >> One of the worst mis-features of Linux in my book. > > I think being able to update just about ANYTHING, except the kernel > without the need for a reboot is one of the best features of Linux and > actual advantages it has over FreeBSD. Well, this can be done in FreeBSD too. In general, you can update parts with: # cd /usr/src/some/path # make clean # make depend && make all # make install You will find that this often requires a lot of care and attention, and a whole lot of effort, just to avoid ending up with a mess. I'm positively sure that the same sort of care should be used when upgrading parts of a Linux system too. After 6 years of being a Slackware user who upgraded everything by compiling tarballs, apart from the occasional libc version which I installed as a precompiled package, I can tell you it felt like walking on a slippery slope a lot of the time :-) It's good to be able to upgrade a "base system" in one fell swoop. At least, it's good to me. - Giorgos