From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 23 15:04:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9352410656A5 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from a.mail.ru.ac.za (a.mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010::25:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51C68FC2D for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ru-msa; d=ru.ac.za; h=Received:From:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Authenticated-User; b=OrVF9cjJZfDWFo6nPl7TewLkDBNKDrSe36ex3ykV+MualRz1dJXOJdSxQk+zsTyIWHUpd2Lr8pHz6ru4w8FR5k2gv/jfkMMttvjZEUjLp23FLyv4JMhmbo/BjhBe3Cf5; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:53536) by a.mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MJ7Xg-000OIE-7U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:04:12 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:04:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4A40DB9C.4070107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A40DB9C.4070107@gmail.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: a.mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010::25:1) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: No sound, no mouse and now X applications won't start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:15 -0000 On Tuesday 23 June 2009 15:41:48 Manish Jain wrote: > I hope the next release will address these problems, as well as a pretty > reasonable request from me much earlier to move vi from /usr/bin to > /bin. Even in single-user mode, you almost always need an editor. Which is why you have ed(1) - both in /bin and in /rescue - and /rescue/vi (although that needs a bit of tweaking due to the /etc/termcap problem). Bear in mind that /usr/bin/vi is over 300K, compared to the whole of /bin which is ~950K (if you avoid double-counting entries like /bin/csh and /bin/tcsh which are hardlinks to the same file), so you need to convince people who think /bin should stay small to let it grow by a third to save people learning ed(1). Jonathan