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Date:      Thu, 31 May 2012 13:14:27 +0200
From:      Damien Fleuriot <ml@my.gd>
To:        Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net>
Cc:        "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?
Message-ID:  <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd>
In-Reply-To: <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net>
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On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net> wrote:

> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
>>=20
>> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>=20
>>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending i=
t to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. =20=

>>>=20
>>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which a=
dvertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like t=
o get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD.  If you had t=
o list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick?  A=
re they the same as when you first started using it? =20
>>>=20
>>> David
>>=20
>>=20
>> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls:
>> - CARP
>> - relayd
>> - PF
>> - pfsync
>>=20
>> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web,
>> haproxy, db...):
>> - "hard" to use
>> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to
>> debian's for example)
>>=20
>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot
>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after
>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports)
>=20
> But how often do you need to=20

As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem.

We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is much=
 simpler and faster.

There is also the performance aspect.
We get better performance on Haproxy and PGsql on Debian than on bsd.=



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