From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 11:14:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8E4106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4353C8FC12 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so747716wgb.31 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:14:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=gv2lGwwwTaPzCTH3doHwJQkftFK7PnCaoSaHjSzXzEo=; b=ZZyzOs5PVEfgmcVuMCjKMeTnhqaIDm6yMrwna2XRmvuPtpmaqM8VngGggV9Z0nCCC7 vEixklPwVtlFXdHMyhlmsbscTnVn/SYR0sG3wDnVq2uWNcjh5T8QQSmj/F/1OZYbn+e7 Iw6Up5YPWiwsuMI6LmqsNmJg5EcPiE1v5/qQUxLecE+DoQPwehT9A3S0pZurBUSbnnvz kCyVpmHT8ZazZNBeithT8fY/20550b/BXQ8GJZVoNv+l8BZk57EXABURlCXdO7YBClI+ 5JIWkkxRE+ZuQ1BSU3fIrsG7d9n3s81WPUA6kIb66wq4SpELUp5dApb0T656JxO82l88 J/Mg== Received: by 10.216.201.79 with SMTP id a57mr12505927weo.164.1338462876224; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.78.162.253] ([92.90.20.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ez4sm3156876wid.3.2012.05.31.04.14.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 04:14:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> In-Reply-To: <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:14:27 +0200 To: Lars Engels X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnxyrKjAok8PYAy4ezbImxGBl0q/A0WSWyn0lIoEh27yYs+Jub35c5kEF3nxlc+WfhA7Gug Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:14:37 -0000 On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>=20 >> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>>=20 >>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending i= t to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. =20= >>>=20 >>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which a= dvertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like t= o get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had t= o list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? A= re they the same as when you first started using it? =20 >>>=20 >>> David >>=20 >>=20 >> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >>=20 >>=20 >> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: >> - CARP >> - relayd >> - PF >> - pfsync >>=20 >> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, >> haproxy, db...): >> - "hard" to use >> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to >> debian's for example) >>=20 >> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >=20 > But how often do you need to=20 As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is much= simpler and faster. There is also the performance aspect. We get better performance on Haproxy and PGsql on Debian than on bsd.=