From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 9 12:00:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF8216A4CE for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao05.cox.net (lakemtao05.cox.net [68.1.17.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0193C43FD7 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 12:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kitlists@hotpop.com) Received: from fortytwo ([68.109.49.234]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031109195959.IOQQ29834.lakemtao05.cox.net@fortytwo>; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:59:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:58:48 -0600 From: Vulpes Velox To: ".VWV." Message-Id: <20031109135848.3eebea37.kitlists@hotpop.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c3a6d9$5aafca90$9bfc2dd5@workstation> References: <000a01c3a59e$429ce460$7baeabd4@workstation> <20031108113432.35b59671.kitbsdlists@HotPOP.com> <3FAD2AA1.5060500@potentialtech.com> <000701c3a6d9$5aafca90$9bfc2dd5@workstation> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: Vulpes Velox Subject: Re: the unix desktop was possible once X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 20:00:03 -0000 On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:51:34 +0100 ".VWV." wrote: > > Bill Moran wrote: > > > What would you need in the way of hosting to get this rolling? > > I post the last message here about this matter, for further details it would > be better we post to 'freebsd-chat' or 'freebsd-stable'. Let me know what > you'll eventually choose. > > In my opinion, the best thing would be an official FreeBSD desktop release > of the packages contained in 4.6.2 or 4.7, excluding gtk 2.x for a while, > which could be based either on a 4.x or on a 5.x operating system. > If this shouldn't seem realistic, the only way is the 'adoption' of the > desktop above by a private enterprise, because there is a lot to do to pack > an ordinated installation, ready for the end users. At the beginning, a free > hosting could also be useful. Why not use 4.9 or 4stable? I see no problem using gtk or gtk+. As long as qt is advioded I don't see any real problems. Free hosting is largely a must... look how much various linuxs have managed to totally bungle the idea of creating a desktop by being commercial. > I don't think it would be necessary to modify the installation tools, which > still work like a clock, rather than making a good choice of the useful > packages. 'End-user' should be intended for longer as a person who reads the > manuals and knows the command-line [better than me], on a unix system. Installation tools are cool. Some nicer config tools would go a long way thought. I am currently working on one to make kernel builds simpler.