From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 17 07:55:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5BC106567B; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:55:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (nagual.pp.ru [194.87.13.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA938FC12; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:55:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (ache@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nagual.pp.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m8H7tEqi057327; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:55:14 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nagual.pp.ru; s=default; t=1221638114; bh=8f4V1WBWnUwconhSesoCFZvUrVwNmKc9RkTKCVn g0LU=; l=907; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=Xkjebm01pabhculJNRzmcdV6g T0ItxdH3uxmYYL47qhma7wfbwOBM7LoXZliRC/VTLwKS776q20YG47Ok8y4GOiOKeYg cbqV1YPx4TR7Rrk+sB+BTosqKZI5Qa0VWEEDeqCqviyOqb+Iuumja4AmoJICkEqnffU uzEfFtGXJHvk= Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m8H7tDfq057326; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:55:13 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:55:13 +0400 From: Andrey Chernov To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-ID: <20080917075513.GB55535@nagual.pp.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Andrey Chernov , Poul-Henning Kamp , John Baldwin , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Daniel Eischen , Max Laier References: <200809161628.54085.jhb@freebsd.org> <75593.1221597693@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <75593.1221597693@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Daniel Eischen , Max Laier , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is fork() hook ever possible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:55:16 -0000 On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 08:41:33PM +0000, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <200809161628.54085.jhb@freebsd.org>, John Baldwin writes: > > >The PID isn't the seed, he's using a PID change as a notification that the > >process needs to do a re-stir the next time it wants a psuedo-random number > >(b/c the PID change means it is now a new process). > > Seems to be a vast overkill to me, in countless other contexts, > it is the responsibility of the programmer to do what needs done on > a fork, and I see no reason why this couldn't be likewise. The situation is not so simple since the library functions can call ar4random() internally (like mktemp() family already and always does) and the programmer should always know all of such usage (which is impossible) or always call arc4random_stir() directly by himself (which no portable code will do). -- http://ache.pp.ru/