From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 15 10:56:12 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BB366469C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hruodr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x429.google.com (mail-wr1-x429.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQWWZ6QRJz4gSH for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hruodr@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id a13so7152150wrf.10 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 03:56:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version; bh=2n+zT4FrBMTgJw+71hfSFVW/znB7JD/sDsj5uD8QYsM=; b=BvaC7QxZWz18S3EW0RJgjigBnVVV6qDmm9F+RItw/I2XbKGY0grbP6utNkQlwUyccW RZHBBKej7GVglIGLq9OvCveus/IHleE20A0uEZRmT8HVsrjaAQitANBR41CdVKg+RMcs zpoI1YF7GugScnv+q6RArcfx3RLzooPVRYjKnIkEw87cgNjb09Ia4fAvoMYE6aEhw02x g5KLP/8l2uIADrHSh70VIhzgC1oPeAIlXN1/h7ydO7T9WQCWbScD49jrMRtX40638vla zoL0A1agDKwd1GgGUe+q0iSg0oRekmF6QNQZest4hjYRvmspoKXOfWZ+dofBOJNYBbLB ec4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id :references:mime-version; bh=2n+zT4FrBMTgJw+71hfSFVW/znB7JD/sDsj5uD8QYsM=; b=aiifYtsSu7UdDoHh/mop4Go7zx3Ohi4Ae+y+37qGnQnWbn3/XlIIuAq//bMeb7jpnn oKEv71EmR1b+rbRCpFNB+54FQARWB8QTP6EwVP+fWqyswN7arv4X1c6PR/Cn4+03pFOd 6jIRl/sDdpQlU7yfUMgdY8po+FdsTSt561WvCfj7+lbzbhjr0T70p7WuIJZoUmICzhXa ItEIOIwI581HTTKyW/GYyrfFAxmrXMeZ1LCjdOKB4UOthYmwew3Q4ES2wwKGt4xs0xa4 asZmJDZYM56Is4Cylqn0z3xWS//RrvoFhQLYNr/jUSfkB1XzqXlXUyswKhCsHbqGt2oY qaUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5310Ypn0BBhCFTgH1AMQyAlF5uvy1T9sOjhe5GzfBnnRiqjrTKsd o4pnSZLQP036yolPbng2hZ9NLpzJYPo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyCRGJr6uNDBN5a8kzItIw3hQ1qFy+9VNwVvXkIxn2pm0gQxeRrz7DZxsJulMiTO7kMmDsLyg== X-Received: by 2002:adf:e3cf:: with SMTP id k15mr4700779wrm.60.1626346569527; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 03:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.26] (dslb-178-008-021-173.178.008.pools.vodafone-ip.de. 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In-Reply-To: <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <5b18f5de-7aae-a226-88cd-a210507d5c5@gmail.com> <72194e9f-261c-c3da-996-f8e1bcad2164@gmail.com> <20210715063116.85e42de5c276f40c8920ee2c@sohara.org> <20210715105229.50fee7b3@archlinux> <23e852c3-b9f4-3e7a-777c-50ff3c222f16@gmail.com> <20210715112546.61525c25b44bb93c10b87f21@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GQWWZ6QRJz4gSH X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BvaC7QxZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hruodr@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::429 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hruodr@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.77 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; SUBJECT_ENDS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.8.21.173:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.18)[-0.181]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.95)[0.948]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 10:56:12 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jul 2021, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > Sylpheed works fine - it has failed to annoy me for many many years > now. Not lightweight enough: it needs X11. In spite of it, I tried some of these GUI mail clients. All (?) of them download all mails even if one use imap. That is in my opinion not the purpose of imap. If there should be a light weight mail client with gui, at best together with the lightweight browser: unfortunately we are being invaded with html mail. And with that also nntp (common code). Mutt is very cryptic, and if you want to read the body of the email, it downloads the attachements. Also not the purpose of imap. Alpine is by far not 100% my taste, but the best I know. Rod.