From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 28 14: 7: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C8237B400 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay4.clb.oleane.net (relay4.clb.oleane.net [213.56.31.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE3343E42 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: from ns1.entreview.com ([194.250.48.33]) by relay4.clb.oleane.net with ESMTP id g7SL5kHh003557; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:05:46 +0200 Received: from daemon.entreview.com (daemon.entreview.com [194.250.48.42]) by ns1.entreview.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7SL5dYT001687; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:05:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: from daemon.entreview.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by daemon.entreview.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7SL5jbM012869; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:05:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris@daemon.entreview.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by daemon.entreview.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7SL5jlI012868; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:05:45 +0200 From: Christophe Juniet To: Ross Lippert Cc: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC on a Desktop Applications chapter for the handbook Message-ID: <20020828210545.GA12430@daemon.entreview.com> References: <20020828185720.GC8848@hades.hell.gr> <200208282022.NAA15383@eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200208282022.NAA15383@eskimo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 01:22:59PM -0700, Ross Lippert wrote: > > Just a couple cents. > > There are english problems, but let's deal with that after some discussion of > content. That's certainly the point where I most need help since it's not my native language. Don't hesitate to correct my english or at least tell me where it's bad! > For the > % make install-user > command required by openoffice (which I am glad you told me about) needs to be > made in the ports directory right? If so, then you should have a > % cd ....... > too. Done, thanks. > The link to the abacus website and that bit about the palm pilot seems like > a gratuitous plug. Are gratuitous plugs ok? I understand, I'll remove this para. I was thinking about adding a section about gnumeric instead. > I like that you did not leave out the lightweights browsers like w3m > and so on. Comments on whether or not a package will demand > substantial resources to build from ports versus pkg_add are nice too. > > In fact, I wonder if you might not turn that into an organizing > principle. What about adding a para to the introduction of each section ? Something like a list with "big applications" and "lightweight applications" ? > AbiWord is a pretty lightweight app for what it does, while KWord is > light or heavy depending on if you have KDE already or not, and > openoffice is, right now, a horrendous beast that only the foolhearty > would build from ports. > > You also did this for the pdf viewing with xpdf and Acrobat, though I > am curious as to why not gv (I just don't know anything about xpdf). I thought someone would make this one for me but he must be too busy. I'll add it myself asap. > The pkg_add, cd, make install lines are all pretty boring to read. > I mean, yeah there are subtleties, here and there, but I wonder this > sort of info is not better captured by a table > > with cols like > --|package name|---|ports directory|---|post-install notes|---|major deps|---|size|--- > > (OK, I slipped in major dependencies and size here to perhaps give > someone a clue as to how light or heavy the package is, or maybe > "heavy(light with KDE)"). I know the repetitions can be boring but I personnaly like to read a very little section of the handbook to get the info I need and close my browser right away. I could put this table in a "Conclusion" section, what do you think? > Finally, there is the question as to whether you should make > reference at all to ports/misc/instant-workstation. You might tell > someone that once they decide what they like, they might consider > making an instant-workstation meta-port out of it (or at least the > light parts) using instant-workstation as a template. I was thinking about a conclusion telling that FreeBSD is somewhat ready for the Desktop. Ending with the misc/instant-workstation meta-port would be very nice since the very next chapter is System Admin :-). > OK, this was longer than I expected. I'll get my english lesson another day then. ;-). Anyway, thanks for your feedback! -- chris P.S.: I updated the web site too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message