From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 18 21:34:15 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03322CE4028 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2017 21:34:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sakhmatd@inventati.org) Received: from latitanza.investici.org (latitanza.investici.org [IPv6:2001:888:2000:56::19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.autistici.org", Issuer "Autistici/Inventati Certification Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4DCDAFF for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2017 21:34:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sakhmatd@inventati.org) Received: from [82.94.249.234] (latitanza [82.94.249.234]) (Authenticated sender: sakhmatd@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2474A120625; Sat, 18 Feb 2017 21:34:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inventati.org; s=stigmate; t=1487453651; bh=3BIoqkbiasQkXUIAnWHQN+oiM5BC6h+y+RDeO4oez08=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=CAzQQJIJlwan9Nl6MPqLFCG16ktO0cS6XyKTrKrsXy9Hyumpypo7Gv7vCWTilQ5FM BqutyTzjgnAE5GXibaIbaHyvYrKqXfXGXV9gPra+y3ZyByZsaXfB8Wwx80TxloiSYx bCJNGpaV8sGZFDzcPtEaWrFvr2uqomfxFWYOcCYE= Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:34:08 -0500 From: Sergei Akhmatdinov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: David Christensen Subject: Re: Laptop recommendation Message-ID: <20170218213408.6ftvgiy7j5gwzxvt@silverbeast> Mail-Followup-To: Sergei Akhmatdinov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, David Christensen References: <140316c2-a061-de66-7e1f-212ac88f235e@holgerdanske.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hb5jcx6eddfnw5zl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <140316c2-a061-de66-7e1f-212ac88f235e@holgerdanske.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-STABLE X-Mailer: NeoMutt 1.7.2 User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 21:34:15 -0000 --hb5jcx6eddfnw5zl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > When I bought my laptop back in 2007, I blew it -- it has a wireless > networking card with a Broadcom chipset that is not FOSS-friendly. Debian > has a work-around using proprietary firmware, but I would prefer a laptop > with 100% FOSS-supported hardware. Perhaps I am going off on a tangent, but most of the time you can buy an Aetheros card online and replace it. I currently use 11-STABLE on an Acer Inspire V3-571. It comes with some Broadcom card preinstalled, but I swapped it out for an Aetheros AR9285. Once the wireless networking card is replaced, everything else works out of the box in STABLE. RELEASE currently lacks full Elantech touchpad support. Suspend to RAM works too, suspend to disk doesn't, but I hardly ever use suspend anyway. > Probably the best strategy is to boot a live CD of your FOSS of choice on > whatever computer you are considering buying, and then take a look at dme= sg, > etc.. Typically, this limits your purchasing options to the local geograp= hic > market. But, you might be able to find a savvy eBay seller who will send > you dmesg output. With FreeBSD, suspend support is still one of the big questions, so I would check that when doing a live CD test. > This is not a new question. Over the years, people have tried starting > businesses dealing in hardware for FOSS and/or existing businesses have > offered products with FOSS. They never seem to last. STFW and see what = you > can find currently. Why, the businesses that do that still exist. Minifree and System76 come to mind. The problem is that you will be severely overpaying for what they offer. 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