From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 15 15:51:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08DD16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from spiff.melthusia.org (spiff.melthusia.org [207.67.244.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF8F43D2D for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:51:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow@spiff.melthusia.org) Received: from spiff.melthusia.org (gtetlow@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spiff.melthusia.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2FNmOV9045844; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow@spiff.melthusia.org) Received: (from gtetlow@localhost) by spiff.melthusia.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i2FNmNrm045843; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:48:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gtetlow) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:48:23 -0800 From: Gordon Tetlow To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Message-ID: <20040315234823.GG660@spiff.melthusia.org> References: <20040315134745.1eb201f4.manlix@demonized.net> <20040315125710.GK797@camelot.theinternet.com.au> <20040315140153.30348b1e.manlix@demonized.net> <4055B648.3000306@bis.midco.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="agGyne4gKHM29dDu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: Peter Schultz Subject: Re: To the Armchair Directors X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:51:42 -0000 --agGyne4gKHM29dDu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 09:47:30AM -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Peter Schultz writes: >=20 > > Don't piss off the programmers! ;-) > > > > If you're not a programmer, restrain yourself from suggesting how easy > > this or that thing would be to do. These guys simply *do not* need > > your "input". Remember that this is *open source* and that if you > > think something is worth doing that nobody else is working on, you > > need to take on the project yourself. >=20 > The above sort of user-off-putting attitude seems inappropriate to > this mailing list, if we're to believe the Handbook's description, > which begins: >=20 > Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-CURRENT >=20 > This is the mailing list for users of FreeBSD-CURRENT. >=20 > This list seems to be the main interface between users and developers, > where the later can get a sense of what the former think of their OS > and what's wrong with it, in design as well as implementation. > Otherwise, they should just isolate themselves in hackers@ or start up > a freebsd-current-dev. Jumping on someone for thinking out loud about > the difficulty of a better (?) design just pisses off users instead of > developers. Save it for the -hackers list or start up a -current-dev > list where developers can isolate their delicate sensibilities from > us whiny users. It's not the suggestion, it was the "This couldn't be too hard to implement" that gets on nerves. I can say that I found it rather annoying, and all too much like my day job where people tell me how long I have to do something when they are not in a position to know how long something takes to implement. -gordon --agGyne4gKHM29dDu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAVkDHRu2t9DV9ZfsRAlVkAKCO9GgpeZGrqqlL5lK/TA8x9N7kOQCgiPW1 4DfIsA6uKebHLO8bXkM1jfA= =lu+S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --agGyne4gKHM29dDu--