From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 19:30:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E2E37B6FF; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF9143F79; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h153URJF006550; Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:00:27 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: cain.gsoft.com.au: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be [127.0.0.1] Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Brett Glass Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030204201252.03ccb2e0@localhost> References: <20030205021134.GO12525@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030204201252.03ccb2e0@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1044415826.2362.2.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 05 Feb 2003 14:00:27 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.3 () CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 13:48, Brett Glass wrote: > I strongly disagree. He and his company may have a far larger > investment in FreeBSD -- in dollars and man-hours -- than any > committer. That doesn't matter - if you use it and you don't contribute then you are getting it for nothing. Sure it's free, but it works on people contributing to it's upkeep. > In the case of a commercial product, users can vote with their > wallets. The way FreeBSD is currently organized, they do not > even have that much influence. This is topsy-turvy. This is > open source; the user constituency deserves MORE, not LESS > influence than it would have on commercial products. I don't think so - if you contribute you help drive it, so you have say. If you use it and don't contribute and find it doesn't do what you want, either deal with it, stop using it, or get contributing. The ship is steered by committers, not users. If you have no technical skill but have money riding on it, perhaps you should employ a committer for implementing something, or have them maintain your setup. -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message