From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 16:44:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D741065674; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3A78FC14; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 16:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so6692052qcs.13 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:44:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=uOEMvAZkS+PqmVv7TP6y2wuWnkuhhO9G+niZC1tvaLA=; b=FXzKfbSpyNon91r6muY3McQ56+/Q+C245Z8yiaFBBP1R2HyfAs7+9u7vogb4LHhMV0 WleEvdJ/byyUwVz6VgOMEdHHwyUpzsc0cSq+9ykHJFWAGwI2i0Z3uWKiu3hTUpK7+ZUO fDcF5Qwpabv4Tbq/8/vFiSJKlgHMsz2q2ltcS+S7cYbvfAe0XlzRQdA1ZA4U7bfAFcFN m0TE0lX/t9+ApTiNZQt4qxKqbc7G4EGkJLlT4VtFxPKBG7QSUDrmrlps/FdqjNR6+pG1 JlUlGufz5JtUYNn6wxsv/yTY4Uel/WjUjFISPYXGsO/HLjQes8ymLHj4Kq86QmV4zivS mKvw== Received: by 10.60.30.35 with SMTP id p3mr38195405oeh.16.1343925881468; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fuji-wireless.local (c-24-19-191-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [24.19.191.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m7sm4905767oef.1.2012.08.02.09.44.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: <45815622-3CE2-42E3-B118-702AA70C7E4C@samsco.org> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:44:38 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> <45815622-3CE2-42E3-B118-702AA70C7E4C@samsco.org> To: Scott Long X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: Doug Barton , FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Arnaud Lacombe , Warner Losh Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:44:43 -0000 On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Scott Long wrote: >=20 > On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman wrote: >=20 >> Doug makes some good points. >=20 > No, he doesn't. He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory = where none of that is warranted. >=20 > I used to run the devsummits, and we did tele-conference lines for = remote people to participate. After I stepped down, others took it up = and did the same thing. Usually, the lines were unused. I suspect that = organizers simply stopped thinking about them after a while because of = poor interest. There is no conspiracy of exclusion here, just simple = human apathy. The "Watson/Losh connection" worked really well in BSDCan 2010 = :). Advertising the teleconferencing lines might be an issue (I = would have loved to have joined in some of the remote conferences, if = for nothing more than be a fly on the wall, this year), but that's a = separate thing aside. There's some misunderstanding, assumption, etc mixed together in = this mailing chain that I think is probably better resolved with some = face-to-face conversations or maybe just more rational (and less heated) = discussion. Thanks! -Garrett=