From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 14 01:38:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07E616A4B3 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6563943FAF for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 01:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (malin.twenty4help.se [195.67.108.195]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9E8cLTm035490; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:38:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3F8BB5F8.5090308@401.cx> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:38:16 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Hoskins References: <200310131026.20013.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <3F8B2C1C.5070709@401.cx> <20031013164834.V82067@fubar.adept.org> In-Reply-To: <20031013164834.V82067@fubar.adept.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A case of FreeBSD users shooting all FreeBSD users in the foot X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:38:38 -0000 Mike Hoskins wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > >> os's themself, it was the communities he didnt like. >> Appareantly, when he tried FreeBSD he turned to IRC for help, >> and some morons in a #freebsd channel didnt have enough sense >> to behave like grown ups. He turned to OpenBSD instead, and got >> some of the infamous OpenBSD attitude on the mailinglists. Now, >> he runs just about every os except free and open. > > as others have already pointed out, this happens in just about > every IRC "community". a project's "community" extends beyond > IRC. i've known a lot of very helpful BSD gurus. sure, they may > shout "RTFM" if you ask a question on the first page of the > handbook, but who wouldn't? I have never complained about the friendly RTFM pointers that solves most of the questions newbies might have, but if you spend some time on IRC you would see that helpfull pointers to documentation is actually very rare in a lot of IRC channels. Maybe not all of them, but a lot. > the point is, IRC is IRC and has very little to do with the > integrity of... anything. especially FreeBSD. Exactly, and thats why I say its a shame that IRC scares so many potential BSD users away. > if you really base your critical > operations decisions on "touchy feely" IRC encounters... well, > i'll just continue laughing to myself. I never said I make any decisions based on IRC experiences. Im already a die hard BSD believer, and have already made my decision. Ive used BSD since 2.2 and have no intention to stop now. The question as I understood it was if IRC might influence people to actually choose other os's or not. I say it does. If it is wise to use IRC as a reference when you choose is a completely different matter which I wont even go into here, since I think the answer is pretty obvious. -- R