From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 11:53:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 930DBE84 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2568B9E8 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-149-162.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.149.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B74D27858 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:53:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t1JBrHVD002117 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:53:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:53:17 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? How can I get rid of it? Message-Id: <20150219125317.a919b9d8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:53:28 -0000 On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:25:12 -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100, Polytropon stated: > > > Also keep in mind: there's a difference between "to protect" and "to > > investigate" - and put that into context with defining priorities... > > The is also a difference between "to lie" and "to cover-up", but what has > that got to do with the price of tea in China. The first one is a means, the second one is a goal. There's also a difference between "ask for assistance" and "blackmail", as well as between "just a bunch of innocent photos of kids playing at the beach" and "child pornography", or "a normal financial transaction" and "impressive fraud". Which it is _said_ to be depends on many aspects: who is investigated, by whom, how is money involved, what "connections" are present and so on. And in many cases, criminals seem to be much better in achieving the "right evaluation" of their actions than the investigators... Just saying. > It has never failed to amaze me though that those who cry the loudest about > the invasion of privacy are the same individuals who have accumulated the most > nefarious secrets to begin with. I wouldn't say so. Those with the really nefarious secrets have excellent means to protect them, and they keep silent and covered. Do you know what criminals hate most? Publicity. They can't stand the attention of others when they get into the focus of investigators or the society. That's why the public knows (almost) nothing about what they're doing. Privacy will soon be a "luxury good of the wealthy ones". Maybe this is just a beginning: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/02/att-charges-29-more-for-gigabit-fiber-that-doesnt-watch-your-web-browsing/ This doesn't affect me much because I live in a country where mass surveillance (by several "interested parties") is the sad reality. As I usually tend to say: Everything that is technically possible WILL BE DONE, no matter if we can immediately recognize it. Sometimes decades later the truth comes out. In most cases. > Poll after poll have shown that the vox > populi would rather err on the side of safety and security. Considerations of safety and security, put into relation with privacy and freedom, don't matter for most "normal" people as they value their commodity and time higher than any of those abstract goods. They simply don't care. That's why I wouldn't put much value on that kind of polls. Given the right carefully selected "representative" sample and nice statistical calculations, you can prove everything. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...