From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 29 14:17:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D84106566C for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (mx1.sbone.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:3ffc::401:25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C3A8FC0A for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01C3F25D3872; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4068EBD809F; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:17:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cF0n4SEvDFUx; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from orange-en1.sbone.de (orange-en1.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31:cabc:c8ff:fecf:e8e3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42476BD809D; Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" In-Reply-To: <4EFC1260.1060503@luddite.com.au> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:17:00 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4EFC1260.1060503@luddite.com.au> To: Peter J. Cherny X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apropos Removal of sysinstall X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:17:04 -0000 On 29. Dec 2011, at 07:10 , Peter J. Cherny wrote: > I believe removal of sysinstall exposes the community's blindness to a = major parts of it's future, ZFS root. Oh if it was for ZFS root only.. package management is gone in 10 with = that as well but there is work in progress for the new system so it'll be back and = hopefully be just awesome:) > Sadly the lack of xen already often forces me to run FreeBSD VMs under = Debian. Xen is being worked on as well even dom0. bhyve is coming along as = well. ... There's plenty of virtualization if not jails ongoing or wrapping up. A good start to get an idea if the latest ponderings/wishlist of = developers and devsummit attendees can be found here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD10 Some of these things have happened already and some even made it into = the upcoming 9.0 and should be crossed off. /bz --=20 Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family.