From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 27 19:57:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80BC15CBD25 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A6D6D7CC for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:57:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9180F718047 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:57:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: I've got a major question... To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190626063443.51ad3f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627081518.9dc6f3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627091012.44fc65a7@archlinux> <20190627103701.7ea401b8@archlinux> <20190627110340.d0d87cfe.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627113712.8a8ffbb238f478b08514cf72@sohara.org> <20190627080134.000012d6@seibercom.net> <20190627141756.1bf4a848.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627153043.7ce7553c@archlinux> <77a7ea05-6264-d052-e03b-1cc889172f38@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20190627151221.00004412@seibercom.net> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <79915f8c-9405-2ffe-e790-39d5794e7d0c@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 14:57:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190627151221.00004412@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A1A6D6D7CC X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.94 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.65)[-0.653,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.88)[-0.878,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.06)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.52)[0.518,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:57:38 -0000 On 2019-06-27 14:12, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:40:53 -0500, Valeri Galtsev stated: >> ;-) Just listing nuisances I've seen myself. Couldn't fit into >> question the biggest one: "software for rent"... Even Adobe (whom I >> always thank for postscript) lost my respect big time for starting >> doing that. > > I could not disagree more with that assessment of 'software leasing' in > general and Adobe in particular. For $32.01 per month for the entire > Creative Cloud applications with 100GB storage. Since you are allowed > two active instances, that effectively works out to $16 per month. > That is less than my petty cash fund. Also, you receive all updates as > they are released free of charge. When you consider that purchasing all > of Adobe's Cloud applications would cost over $2000, and then finding > yourself with software that will soon be out of date, I consider this a > steal. > > I think the problem is that all too many individuals believe everything > should be free, except of course their own time and labor. I hope, you didn't derive this from what I said. As what I said wasn't at all intended to mean that. My own effort is valuable for me and I do value the effort of people who created my tools. These are only rare occasions when great open source suites are actually paid for, not created on bare enthusiasm (Postfix comes to my mind, created by Vietse Venema who worked for IBM at that time, and IBM was really keen to have decent replacement for sendmail to offer for everybody). > I work for a > living and expect to be paid. I have no problem with others thinking the > same way. I am not a socialist who wants something for nothing. Nothing > is more expensive than "free". > And I keep repeating the same: good work should be paid for. By customer. (Who still is free to evaluate durability of his/her purchase). Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++