From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 22 21:21:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CED083D7; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C5246D7; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [73.34.117.227] (helo=ilsoft.org) by mho-02-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1XsI7I-000Cpr-J7; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:21:16 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id sAMLLEbD007001; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:21:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@FreeBSD.org) X-Mail-Handler: Dyn Standard SMTP by Dyn X-Originating-IP: 73.34.117.227 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/sendlabs/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX1/FgM0+8yBoflTTpAkBtmUg X-Authentication-Warning: paranoia.hippie.lan: Host revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240] claimed to be [172.22.42.240] Subject: Re: svn commit: r274739 - head/sys/mips/conf From: Ian Lepore To: Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86egsvueqk.fsf@nine.des.no> References: <201411200552.sAK5qnXP063073@svn.freebsd.org> <20141120084832.GE24601@funkthat.com> <20141121092245.GI99957@funkthat.com> <1416582989.1147.250.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <026FEB8A-CA8C-472F-A8E4-DA3D0AC44B34@grondar.org> <1416596266.1147.290.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <1416598889.1147.297.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <86egsvueqk.fsf@nine.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:21:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1416691274.1147.339.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ilsoft.org id sAMLLEbD007001 Cc: arch@freebsd.org, John-Mark Gurney , Adrian Chadd , Mark R V Murray X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:21:17 -0000 On Sat, 2014-11-22 at 22:06 +0100, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Ian Lepore writes: > > The arrogance in the way you talk down to me about my right and abili= ty > > to decide these things is mind-boggling. It's clear you're going to = do > > whatever you want, so I guess I'll just shut up. >=20 > With all due respect, Ian, you've been very difficult to work with, not > least because any attempt to have an adult discussion with you on this > subject ends with you saying "you clearly don't want to listen so I'll > just go away". It's simply not true, but repeat it often enough and it > will *become* true. >=20 > We now have automatic unblocking back (which is *precisely* what you I noted that in one of my replies, and also said that it appeared from this thread that that was considered a temporary action which would be undone. Nobody contradicted that until now. > wanted), and I am willing to allow a tunable to turn it off, but I will > not allow disabling it by default, because I believe it is better than That's all I ever asked for, from day one, and this is the first non-negative response to it I can remember. I never asked for it to be disabled by default. I asked for a knob. I asked for it to possibily take multiple knobs, or anything else reasonable to make it difficult to do the wrong thing by accident. When Adrian started talking about a somewhat different need, I went out of my way to point out that his request was different than mine, just to make sure there was no confusion about any sort of enabled-by-default. So yes, maybe my tone has been a bit strident. That tends to happen when you keep saying one thing and the responses you get are as if you had said something else completely. -- Ian