From eugen@grosbein.net Fri Nov 26 14:38:02 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7559918AC12D for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 14:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c2c:26d8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J0y6254tNz4lq3; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 14:38:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (root@eg.sd.rdtc.ru [62.231.161.221] (may be forged)) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 1AQEcDTQ050943 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 26 Nov 2021 14:38:14 GMT (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: emaste@freebsd.org Received: from [10.58.0.10] (dadvw [10.58.0.10]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 1AQEcC5P068399 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 26 Nov 2021 21:38:12 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: Retiring WITHOUT_CXX To: Ed Maste , "Rodney W. Grimes" References: <202111260909.1AQ99LY2023877@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers From: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 21:38:02 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,SHORTCIRCUIT autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Report: * -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT No description available. * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on hz.grosbein.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J0y6254tNz4lq3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N 26.11.2021 21:03, Ed Maste wrote: > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:09, Rodney W. Grimes > wrote: >> >> So is the feature model of FreeBSD becoming, oh it gets broken >> cause it is not regularly tested, so lets remove that feature. > > I don't agree with that. We have a large and growing CI infrastructure > to regularly test functionality and are continually adding to it over > time. But it's important to test and maintain what is actually used > and is useful. Disabling C++ support made sense when obrien@ added the > original knob in 2000, but it makes less sense today when parts of > FreeBSD are written in C++. It depends on what are those parts exactly. For example, I exclude devd (written in C++) from my FreeBSD images because it does only harm for a router with fixed hardware but ever-changing set of ngXXX interfaces being created/removed (PPPoE server with high load). So I also build the image WITHOUT_CXX.