From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 20:28:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 489E3120 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.global.frontbridge.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED68B91A for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail22-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.227) by VA3EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.7.40.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:28:50 +0000 Received: from mail22-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail22-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD2C140123; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:66.129.239.11; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:P-EMF02-SAC.jnpr.net; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: 3 X-BigFish: VPS3(zzzz1f42h1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h2146h1202h1e76h2189h1d1ah1d2ah21bch1fc6h208ch1082kzzz31h2a8h839hd25hf0ah1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh12e5h137ah139eh13b6h1441h14ddh1504h1537h162dh1631h1758h1898h18e1h1946h19b5h1ad9h1b0ah1b2fh1b88h224fh1fb3h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1de2h1dfeh1dffh1e23h1fe8h1ff5h2218h2216h226dh22d0h24afh2327h2336h2381h2438h2461h2487h24d7h2516h2545h255eh25cch25f6h2605h268bh26d3h1155h) Received-SPF: softfail (mail22-va3: transitioning domain of juniper.net does not designate 66.129.239.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.129.239.11; envelope-from=sjg@juniper.net; helo=P-EMF02-SAC.jnpr.net ; SAC.jnpr.net ; Received: from mail22-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail22-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1396470528272190_12099; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS038.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.232]) by mail22-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4F74C0070; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from P-EMF02-SAC.jnpr.net (66.129.239.11) by VA3EHSMHS038.bigfish.com (10.7.99.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:28:45 +0000 Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMF02-SAC.jnpr.net (172.24.192.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 13:28:44 -0700 Received: from chaos.jnpr.net (chaos.jnpr.net [172.24.29.229]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id s32KShV17565; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjg@juniper.net) Received: from chaos.jnpr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chaos.jnpr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C8F58097; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 13:28:43 -0700 (PDT) To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Subject: Re: make WITH[OUT]_* more useful? In-Reply-To: References: <20140401051327.F20F958097@chaos.jnpr.net> Comments: In-reply-to: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" message dated "Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:40:18 -0000." From: "Simon J. Gerraty" X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82+cvs; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 22.3.1 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 13:28:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20140402202843.37C8F58097@chaos.jnpr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 20:28:58 -0000 On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 19:40:18 +0000, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" writes: >I am a it worried that we are increasing the number of prefixes again rathe= >r than reducing it. I was hoping a while ago that NO_ would die. NO_ is/was potentially useful. It allows a makefile to say, "I cannot do that" Of couse by allowing makefiles to set MK_* directly, they can just as easily do MK_*=no Even then, until you eradicate NO_* it is necessary to handle it?