From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jun 22 12:05:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01759 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.16.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01754 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04655 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:04:28 -0700 (PDT) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:37:13 PDT." <12282.835468633@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:04:27 -0700 Message-ID: <4653.835470267@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> If there's nothing depending upon perl, then we can just keep the perl5 >> port. >> >> Likewise, let's do the same with tcl before it becomes a problem. Now, lets pull the next holy cow into the open and look at it ? Here's why I don't complain and scream about perl in FreeBSD. Disk-space is cheap. The reason the "software-tools" concept has been as successful as it has is that the tools were available, even if you didn't actually need them or even wanted them to be available. By having a perl in FreeBSD, we help the FreeBSD community to be able to use Perl, because they can trust that perl to be there. It make Perl a known quantity, as opposed to something people found somewhere and tried to compile as best they could. Remember all the noise and gnashing of teeth when the C compiler got "un-bundled" from SVR3 ? For all the same reasons I belive we shall have C++ and Tcl, and even objective-C if it works. We even have pretty decent F77 stuff when it comes down to it! Yes, how many of you have complained about C++ ? It probably takes up a lot more disk-space than you think! Can we stop the whining, and instead go out and make the world better using a FreeBSD that has the tools people want, when they want them and where they want them ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so.