From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 4 05:55:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B7516A403 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:55:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: from smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5053143D49 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:55:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mikej@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 30346 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 05:55:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O0PmZhsz1I8s9umfpZKU6xohKGKubkXHPQpZ4i6aoQqNYVs8O9BHC/3y0se64w3id6UWHa7KCdPUu4Nc0ciUWp/2vYtgSqegdmpB0VfoRmL0+mL/fq/chOCj/cn9YEZ9SOK6tefCzEq+Gytkl6KrOQWqNoikWegjQ+yXe3juKZo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.31.50.218?) (mikej@rogers.com@70.31.50.218 with plain) by smtp107.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 05:55:10 -0000 Message-ID: <44599732.1050905@rogers.com> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 01:54:58 -0400 From: Mike Jakubik User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <44579EE1.6010300@rogers.com> <20060502180557.GA91762@xor.obsecurity.org> <4457A02C.9040408@rogers.com> <20060502182302.GA92027@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060503110503.O58458@fledge.watson.org> <35c231bf0605031821s582b6d03j3ee9d434a596f62a@mail.gmail.com> <20060504021908.GA714@soaustin.net> <35c231bf0605032011s65fbb1aby742438465ee98ee7@mail.gmail.com> <20060504033300.GA39935@xor.obsecurity.org> <44598615.3040400@rogers.com> <20060504044758.GA41047@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20060504044758.GA41047@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Watson , Mark Linimon , stable@freebsd.org, David Kirchner Subject: Re: quota deadlock on 6.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 05:55:13 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 12:41:57AM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote: > >> Kris Kennaway wrote: >> >>> You missed the part where snapshots have caused deadlocks under >>> varying conditions since day 1. They have never worked 100% reliably, >>> and despite our best efforts that will remain true with 6.1. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> Then why utilize a known non-functional technology? >> > > Because again, the benefits have been judged by the decision-makers > and found to outweigh the drawbacks. Perhaps that's just a difficult > concept for some people to understand if they're used to thinking of > everything in binary terms. > Yes, i am sorry, but i fail to understand why i would want to use something that i know does not work correctly. I think there are quite a few of those "drawbacks" that are pissed off.