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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 566fec8d38c43d7aed12750beb2c54fb; Thu, 20 Nov 2025 14:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81\)) Subject: Re: changing from pkgbase to regularbase From: Mark Millard In-Reply-To: <86tsypvt2i.fsf@ltc.des.dev> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 06:55:44 -0800 Cc: grembo@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <86tsypvt2i.fsf@ltc.des.dev> To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4dC1cz4HfQz3Jkj On Nov 20, 2025, at 03:31, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav = wrote: > Mark Millard writes: >> Build and install a distinct kernel under a distinct name and >> have /boot/loader.conf set kernel=3D"KNAME" (for example). That >> avoids updates messing each other up. Nothing says that you >> have to boot a kernel that pkgbase supplied. >=20 > You're overthinking things. You don't have to install the pkgbase > kernel packages at all. >=20 >> pkgbase uses /usr/src/ and usr/src/sys/ for its non-git source >> code directory trees. So, for git use, some other directory path >> should be used as the base for the git directory tree. Like the >> independent kernel, this independent directory tree avoids >> updates messing each other up as well. >=20 > You're overthinking again. You don't have to install the pkgbase = source > packages at all. >=20 Your notes would apply if Michael Gmelin indicated never wanting to use the pkgbase kernels. But I took the following wording to indicate otherwise could be the case sometimes: QUOTE from = https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2025-November/009406.ht= ml In the last couple of years we needed stability patches (pf, zfs, etc.) on almost every second release (at least temporarily, until an errata was created). END QUOTE That sounds to me like they use up upstream until they discover they should not and they later try updates and go back to using upstream when they find that it works. For the testing of new upstreams, the working kernel might be kept around for a time to potentially revert to. I tailored my wording to that context, right or wrong. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com