Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:05:22 -0600 (CST) From: John Sconiers <jrs@enteract.com> To: Jason Nordwick <nordwick@citycom.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustrated with bsd Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981130234412.27425A-100000@adam.enteract.com> In-Reply-To: <014e01be1ce5$93b5db50$f73c1c26@yasmeen.citycom.com>
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> >I believe it gives you an example.... > No, the best example you get is from section 2.2.3 on how to do a > minimal install from an MS-DOS drive by copying files from the CD. > This is lacking in two regards: first, it only shows you for a > minimal install, and second, it does not refer to where to get > files from the FreeBSD archives. Ideally, you want to explain > what each directory on the ftp archive is for. I remember about > six years ago, installing Linux Slackware. They had a concept of > "disk sets." These sets would have a small title (such as "man," > "xc," or "info") that under the title directory there was numbered > images of floppies (I think I remember "info" being 3 disks, so you > would have c:\linux\info\info[1-3]). Obviously this was to make the > naming and process similar for floppies (floppies were named info[1-3]). > But the installation instructions were painfully obvious to tell you > what each collections did (there were probably about 15-20 of them) and > how to setup you drive. It was not how it was setup, but how the docs > explained it all that was important. > >Then you should buy a cd-rom set....you could also put the minimum install > >a a zip disk or a small fat partition and add stuff as you need it. > For someone new, buying the CD is the easiest. Deciding what is necessary > for > a minimal install or what they need is beyond the beginner level. When > asked, > I don't even know if I could determine what was necessary for my version of > minimal. It all depends on what you need to run... > >When your new to a product it may be hard at first but if you read and ask > >good questions you can get through it. > Asking good questions is a pain in the ass. First, it is very difficult to > ask good questions when you new to something as foreign as UNIX coming from > Windows. Second, if you bought a software package and you had to call tech > support a couple of times to install it wouldn't you feel that they did not > do their job in living up to their promise of easy to install? Key words...*BOUGHT A PACKAGE*...implies warranty etc...Maybe a few of us should offer paid support for FreeBSD...hell redhat does it...any takers email me off the list :-) > >Maybe you should download the post script version of the FAQ and Readme. > >etc that usually would help. The big thing is that with other OSes (MS) > >they don't expect you to read the FAQ or Readme etc. > I have read them. You can say, "just read X," as much as you want, but > without actually pointing to a section and showing me, I won't believe > you. I would love to see a good section/manual out there, but if it is > it should be placed more prominantly on the installation pages. chapter two in the FAQ is nothing but about installation...which file do I download (one of your previous questions) etc.. Chapter two and for of the handbook discusses installs as well. The Complete FreeBSD book is nothing more but helping you setup and maintain FreeBSD...If you read the FAQ, Handbook, Readme etc. I don't think you would've had a question....Even a search of the mailing list using the key\words install and instructions gave helpful info. I don't think (maybe you over looked it) you looked as hard as you could have or claim to.... > >-current is not stable. IE don't use it unless your willing to go along > >with the headaches that come with it. It's for Developers, Bleading Edge > >etc. By the way I run 3.0 and netscape...it works... > I got it to work to, there was lack of checking for X. It simply checked > to see if it was installed, but not make sure the a.out compatibility > libraries were installed. Of course I didn't install them because you are > recomemded not to in the ports installation of XFree86-3.3.3. Also the > patching is still broken on it, it seems (but I could be wrong). make life a little easeir and use 2.2.8 > This makes no sense. > >??? I think its the price you pay for having a better system. I agree > >some thiongs could be easier but unless people like you *HELP* make things > >easier than your wasting your time. > Egoism is the price I pay? Yeah, fuck that. There is no reason for > somebody > not to recognize problems; people should remain open-minded about ideas and > progress, or they will be left behind and, worst of all, not realize it. You have to realize this mailing list (-questions) has to get more than 400 messages a day ....Now not only are you answering a question that someone could have looked up but the person on the other end seems to only have a bug up their ass and flame them but claim they looked extremely hard when to you the answer is right in front of their face. > I try to help, but there things that I cannot do: I don't know shit about > PPP, > the ports building process to figure out why netscape won't patch properly, > or most things that I have problems with. I just learned about SCSI and > RAID > this week (thanks Karl Pielorz). You don't have to know anything about ppp. You can right a shell script or small gui that does ppp setup where you ask for the parameters and do the actually work behind the scenes. IE You provide boxes for a ip and gateway dns etc...they click apply and behid the scenes you run ifconfig -a whatever....This would take little knowledge at all...even if you didn't know x you make a command line script using bash or whatever... I'm glad your learning but you need to help as well...heck build a website devoted to the installation of FreeBSD.....And as I've alredy said...get rid of 3.0. I can send you a 2.2.7 cd-rom (assuming you want to provide or pay for a blank. > -jay JOHN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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