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Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:48:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:48:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A nice looking WM to replace a DE Message-Id: <20200816084824.7560107a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200816054351.GA26926@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <57EC9527.7020202@rcn.com> <20200816054351.GA26926@admin.sibptus.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:CO9wGRqzymlnAu0n3u76fNkooThTLkq9EaIHe4sHw0/Xumhbvj4 DilwrarZIrR801pSMwN2pf9m9n/hnJJEidNZwnDyGuqOCnLGup5dFM9ep3Dsfr367vkaDrT N6kjXvOa5NmohD+JJnHMXw060cfPm7kWJXSbiTvG1MBnv7qNjH2DsadAYIPVfOrjXFL9CIw 2Kxz4qhYThoAlc0nN+ZGA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:kzplXwRzgRQ=:ky/FTZHtKu/fopM1EvbJR5 9BggDm3Kb5/GuFDAsPyCjCoxk/Ykmg3ZzSNBHYed6U2I7MLJcWm0NFzWvKXy2AQYg7CYhJg7A TQ83XsRoq1xdRxxotynYDZYifsQHJNsK4rvYA5VRMCOd+TFSNyCWkbAZCEzm1wiR9lS3bFH4R saT+1M+r6g9BAHfstm0CM24XG6F2hsgDpKjIY8DBJSTWyyxuGCGB2lHuyvL3HKa7eemIjmc7h InzRnHf2lkNj1CLqj1jkMJigurCzbxhdt8XPXtziuV+qnC+RX0jIuqNvaHsvs4RsDzUBHjala Pf/+6PK5y3OGDFi1F7k0spgfqsTYiU/P7ng58n6sXsGdIfLBrYObrT+4xCTRkLCtauBUNa58W ghVpnhcySbr2dyJJ13HsHcYsHMBram4TlrqA3L93ARvZF4XxP6mlLDn2cSPnxx1tL6A1PMDtV EzMHZUMbSPoMl+w12F445SOzcH5eX7jhzL9SQnmW6vSETu+OiYlYSW3uHj9qGjg90sINqLfxR 31u3ELgI7VuhqY8Fooz4KuJ3kHSrTt9yAWsV95SwNSszUBC2o92bx7FuRBNw67frOA6nOFKmY GmmVqvrJYMcs4LEjWBwBXzU48LcgKAa8fI8musbRX2bDTA5vxyvK6cQFwmpoyVInhiMTk449c eZIDQ1cj8sgBsHk3LtTMYeUV4/Aa84cV6IMDWQU4X5hVoCORkNEqPwPstsTq7DGtDgeE9GN8y J17UHFEbBcb2gv1Y+zLEC+yTQLQlN2ZvyL3g9MvyCpmC150N4uX/5YkhqDmYfkEpYi5X8KfV6 aTxsupZjqMJgrrTQClULw7nEdX2nefT3NgDrunaqjhLRVm0KJ3FFQJex1GZA19E7Dl3UcDJ ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.68)[0.683]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.133:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:48:29 -0000 On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:43:51 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > There is a box where I'd like to ditch Xfce for a more simple setup with > just a window manager (WM) and a couple of xterms. This would set the > resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. > Is it still possible? Definitely. Depending on your magic level, a tiling window manager could be interesting. If you're not that magic (like me), maybe fvwm-2 (Motif style) or IceWM will do? Personally, and even though I have tried many WMs, my personal favorite is WindowMaker (with non-default configuration, of course). Because I'm too stupid, the magic of tiling window managers didn't pour onto me yet. I've heared only good things about them, though. ;-) > 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a > quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the > modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough > for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. In this case, IceWM isn't a bad choice. It supports several themes, as well as a Beastie-style "start button". It does not automatically "discover apps", i. e., you'll have to create your own menu file, but that's not a disadvantage in my opinion. The nice thing about IceWM is that you can configure all aspects easily with simple text-based configuration files. If you want to look very professional, add a Mac OS X wallpaper and the Warlock Bar (wbar). I've tried that, it actually works. ;-) > 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've > long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, > various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global > xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? Today, most of this stuff is done automatically by X itself. If you want to force a specific configuration (especially a non-standard one, like a non-US keyboard), there's still the way of partial configuration files in the xorg.conf.d/ subdirectory. Keyboard layouts can be managed easily with xinput, the successor of xmodmap. And switching layouts can be done with IceWM keyboard bindings. For everything that you don't want to be a global setting, there's always ~/.xinitrc and/or ~/.xsession; you can use programs like xinput and xrandr to configure things after user login. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...