From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 02:52:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE1C16A4A0 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: from mired.org (vpn.mired.org [66.92.153.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C15D213C480 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwm-keyword-freebsdhackers2.e313df@mired.org) Received: (qmail 40645 invoked by uid 1001); 28 May 2007 02:51:56 -0000 Received: by bhuda.mired.org (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Sun, 27 May 2007 22:51:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18010.17356.231693.31047@bhuda.mired.org> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:51:56 -0400 To: Edwin Groothuis In-Reply-To: <20070528020143.GB1361@k7.mavetju> References: <20070527221528.GA19603@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20070528014456.GA24097@soaustin.net> <20070528020143.GB1361@k7.mavetju> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Primary-Address: mwm@mired.org X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`; h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.11 (Ladyburn) From: Mike Meyer Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for speed increases in "make index" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 02:52:41 -0000 In <20070528020143.GB1361@k7.mavetju>, Edwin Groothuis typed: > On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 08:44:56PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > > In summary, the ports infrastructure is really complicated because it's > > trying to deal with all kinds of constraints and conditions. I challenge > Reading this, I was wondering what the ports infrastructure has > ever done for us? > See http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk/whattheromans.html While that's funny, it makes me wonder if you're serious when you ask the question. The ports system is a wonder. If you've ever tried installing software off the net without such a thing to help, you'll know what I mean. If you haven't, you should thank jkh for your state of blessedness. That said, it's now a decade old, and I'm sure doing far more than jkh ever expected of it. It's also tightly integarted with the package system, which is in a similar state. Both are suffering in comparison to newer systems, many of which have less ambitious goals. It seems like in the last month or so a lot of people have popped up with an interest in reworking one or both of them. Hopefully, some of them with time to do so will get good advice. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information.