From nobody Wed Apr 13 20:03:21 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB56B1B3E783 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2022 20:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd00055af1cb.bd0c3548cd5a0ca9ebb3919e90892d66@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Kdtnc5rNKz3l7V for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2022 20:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4dd00055af1cb.bd0c3548cd5a0ca9ebb3919e90892d66@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1649880213; x=1652472213; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=x7taHEBz6h3Vz3bV/zW4ZcYTCOa+8NBYsS7lQnr18kg=; b=ENQYB8P8Q3Cky9EJXAqNtjWQjMyyNdeiL/rAVr4Sj7hU4In4gZyfL1kbpH/vvt+7P+FOMrBe1+8/vIg1KAnO2EPNH9XqL17+w17UUYF4DQmMG9/85YDxMLfWHD1y0v7SpPtsLAD1IY4QKRq6ZozKbNzA4N1nNW9e7s25TN50+Kw= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRkZDAwMDU1YWYxY2IucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:03:24 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:03:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1nejCz-0005wo-RC; Wed, 13 Apr 2022 21:03:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 21:03:21 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Dave Hayes Cc: tech-lists , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nvidia-driver and no update in /usr/ports/UPDATING Message-Id: <20220413210321.02855a76d44e2924ff7d08c4@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20220413124440.7bebc580@bigus.dream-tech.com> References: <20220408033457.847c7f829ab41f4db9a00ef3@sohara.org> <20220408042816.bef7ec05f4f80a2a9678d645@sohara.org> <20220413124440.7bebc580@bigus.dream-tech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Kdtnc5rNKz3l7V X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=ENQYB8P8; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4dd00055af1cb.bd0c3548cd5a0ca9ebb3919e90892d66@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4dd00055af1cb.bd0c3548cd5a0ca9ebb3919e90892d66@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.189.2:received]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd00055af1cb.bd0c3548cd5a0ca9ebb3919e90892d66@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4dd00055af1cb.bd0c3548cd5a0ca9ebb3919e90892d66@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:44:40 -0700 Dave Hayes wrote: > Remember that Mr. O'Hara-Smith's position is paraphrased exaggeratedly by: > > "You should be happy for whatever bits devs give you, absolutely > forgiving of any mistake they make, and grateful even if they ignore your > issue. Any other response is rude." You missed an important bit. If you want more to happen then pitch in and help make it happen. That doesn't mean complain that it's not happening and should be it means doing something real. How else should you be when someone does something for free and gives away the result ? At a free barbecue would you complain that they didn't have your favourite sauce or might you provide a bottle for others to enjoy as well ? > Now I doubt that this viewpoint is shared by everyone else and I doubt Mr > O'Hara-Smith sees the subtle error in this position when trying to assert > this is a "community". Still, you work with what you observe not with You're only part of a community if you take part in it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith