From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 15:21:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D61106566C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markiyan.kushnir@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F76D8FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so1006361bkc.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XqUv4ezSeLuUzZCumQ1i4L7onOX3UaYhSsJwGAx204o=; b=c+2kg/sTIYpPdtvuA8WKUlRdxllzjJd4ElaCRDDPakqfiMZdI6+Qxnz4LqcziJ7eQ2 niVc0nGR53roB7tJUuq2c+dDt9rmPpzXk7wBGOyO43RQaU6H+YZtyv4rjjfxXlxuz6TW CVT6f4fqSWjyc7qHUvx89lqY6kt6eSSDN7dPOjATlBvhKg3h3AIgNEmY+29OoTeC3njE gLbrk2nVJNfZ7aFTMDU8jefikUnCtXdGirhYwavzOdJyNcAEOldfSQm2XOmclgzbUAuQ 0BZf8ouHTOJNe62mIOEYOWnjqz7/5ktGKRYxy4ZDWWtU/rk/iGrs4p/KIeJVDLYbOqru PGHw== Received: by 10.205.126.15 with SMTP id gu15mr6502993bkc.134.1345648890957; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mkushnir.zapto.org (81-48-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net. [91.124.48.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2961400bkw.15.2012.08.22.08.21.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5034F8F0.2000506@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:21:20 +0300 From: Markiyan Kushnir User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120222 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:32 -0000 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-July/231832.html Already read and discussed/flamed here. -- Markiyan. On 22.08.2012 13:29, Michel Talon wrote: > > David Jackson said: > >> In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care about >> portability", this is deceptive and misleading. > > You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering > http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 > The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really > astounding. I will just quote two extracts: > > " LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, > udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux > API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems are > irrelevant ? > > Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I > think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems > when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a > burden, and holds us back for little benefit. " > > and cherry on the cake > > "LinuxFr.org : Why Linux desktop hasn't been adopted by the > mainstream users ? Linus Torvalds seems to think it's mostly a social > issue and not a technical one. Do you agree with him ? > > Lennart : I think we weren't innovative enough in the interface, and we > didn't have a convincing message and clear platform. If you accept MacOS > as benchmark for user interfaces, then we weren't really matching it, at > best copying it. I think this is changing now, with GNOME 3 which is a > big step forward as an interface for Linux and for the first time is > something that has been strictly designed under UI design guidelines. > " > > > > >