From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Wed Jul 10 08:53:56 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5101315CFCF4 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (bastille.leidinger.net [89.238.82.207]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B45E980D6C for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (p508D5E85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.141.94.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mailgate.Leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6CCA64E; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.8.242.239] (unknown [194.154.203.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: Alexander@Leidinger.net) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C1E930B1; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:53:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger To: John Kozubik , Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:53:45 +0200 Message-ID: <16bdb16ada8.27fa.fa4b1493b064008fe79f0f905b8e5741@Leidinger.net> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: How many "production" releases will FreeBSD have when the ZoL merge comes in ? 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Bye, Alexander. -- Send from a mobile device, please forgive brevity and misspellings. Am 10. Juli 2019 01:36:02 schrieb John Kozubik : > Friends, > > I am confused as to how the ZFS On Linux merge will be available before > 2022. The current supported release lifecycle page states: > > "11.4-RELEASE + 3 months (or September 30, 2021)" > > ... and I have heard very pessimistic responses about the ZoL merge going > into the 12 branch. > > So I *think* that one of the following must be true: > > > - We will, at some point, have *three* production branches with -RELEASE > distributions: 11, 12 and 13. > > - ZoL will actually come into the 12 branch, despite recent pessimism. > > - Neither of the above: ZoL comes in the 13 branch, which will not overlap > with the 11 branch, which means (basically) 2022 as the earliest > production (-RELEASE) version of FreeBSD with ZoL. > > > Some background ... > > > We at rsync.net, which runs exclusively on FreeBSD, are *dying* to get > native encryption and raw send. As you can imagine, we can only run > -RELEASE versions of FreeBSD. > > We really want to give Linux users the ability to 'zfs send' to their > rsync.net accounts like FreeBSD users do, but 13.1-RELEASE[1] is a *long* > way off - perhaps over three years from now. > > Three simultaneous "production" releases seems silly. > > So that leaves ZoL coming in the 12 branch as the only outcome that isn't > terrible news. > > > I wonder if there is any of the above that I am mistaken about, or some > news I have missed ? > > > Thanks, > > John Kozubik > > > > [1] In practice, we also don't run x.0 releases in production which sounds > bigoted and superstitious but I can point to 5.0-RELEASE and you need no > further explanation. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"