From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Sat Dec 2 18:44:06 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1F5E66E38 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2017 18:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [192.108.105.60]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16375798CD; Sat, 2 Dec 2017 18:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (bones.soaustin.net [192.108.105.22]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A5D8D65; Sat, 2 Dec 2017 12:43:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 12:43:57 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: FreeBSD Ports ML Cc: linimon@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth? Message-ID: <20171202184356.GA980@lonesome.com> References: <1512211220.79413.1.camel@yandex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 18:44:06 -0000 On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 11:53:58AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote: > Looking back at other port management utilities like "portmanager", > "portmaster", "portupgrade" and now "synth", The FreeBSD team has > done a pretty good job of obfuscating and rendering them impotent. That's one possible explanation. Or, as Occam's Razor suggests, they continue to try to modernize the Ports Collection, despite obstacles (including stale codebases and stubborn maintainers). I'll admit some of the transitions have been pretty rough. But when you go back and look at Ports as of e.g. FreeBSD 4, there have been a lot of good changes -- including some which were necessary due to sheer scale. If we had stayed with what we had then, the whole thing would have collapsed by now. mcl