From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jul 11 4:51:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jake.akitanet.co.uk (jake.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD88137B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 04:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wiggy@wopr.akitanet.co.uk) Received: from dsl-212-135-208-201.dsl.easynet.co.uk ([212.135.208.201] helo=wopr.akitanet.co.uk) by jake.akitanet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 15KIWI-000ME7-00; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:51:06 +0100 Received: from wiggy by wopr.akitanet.co.uk with local (Exim 3.21 #2) id 15KIWk-000Int-00; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:51:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:51:34 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Noses Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Mall now BSDCentral Message-ID: <20010711125134.D56234@jake.akitanet.co.uk> References: <3B4A7D9C.A64230D9@softweyr.com> <200107111124.f6BBO9B46455@proxon.bnc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200107111124.f6BBO9B46455@proxon.bnc.net>; from noses@noses.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 01:24:09PM +0200 X-Scanner: exiscan *15KIWI-000ME7-00*$AK$peqWh9rdPvkMpqChhTeGg/* Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Jul 11, Noses wrote: > > I guess you're wrong; it is actually easier to tell customers to use > /stand/sysinstall for package management and configuration of /etc/rc.conf > than having them attack delicate parts of the system with clumsy fingers. Never mind customers, I like to use it myself. I'm not really somebody who wants to get into how to build X and KDE, so when I do need it on a box, I just use all the stuff in /stand/sysinstall The problem with the FreeBSD install is that it's not intuitive the first time you go to use it. Once you've done it, the next time is easy, but if you want to make it as appealing to install to a newbie as say, Mandrake, then it needs a lot of work. As somebody else has said on this thread, if the newbies can't install the OS and the packages they want easily, they aren't going to use it. With Mandrake they can have a working, partitioned up system with a choice of window managers under X, loads of apps pre-installed, the whole lot, in less than an hour. Currently with FreeBSD to get X and KDE and perhaps a few other apps on will take a fair bit longer if you're new to the Unix game. I suppose it all depends on whether you're more interested in the Desktop or the Server - I use FBSD as a server OS, so am happy with minimal installs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message