From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 8 15:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B5337B401; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xorpc.icir.org (xorpc.icir.org [192.150.187.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C436743F75; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:57:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rizzo@xorpc.icir.org) Received: from xorpc.icir.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xorpc.icir.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h48MuhQg016990; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rizzo@xorpc.icir.org) Received: (from rizzo@localhost) by xorpc.icir.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.3/Submit) id h48MuhGj016989; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rizzo) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:56:43 -0700 From: Luigi Rizzo To: Paul Richards Message-ID: <20030508155643.A16895@xorpc.icir.org> References: <1052433564.619.32.camel@cf.freebsd-services.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1052433564.619.32.camel@cf.freebsd-services.com>; from paul@freebsd-services.com on Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:39:24PM +0100 cc: David O'Brien Subject: Re: Fw: /rescue X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:57:02 -0000 On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:39:24PM +0100, Paul Richards wrote: ... > If people get used to nvi being available as a recovery tool then > they'll never learn the skills necessary to recover from severe system > failures. I think we're beginning to dumb down the expected skill levels > a bit too much. oh come on... an editor is just a convenience thing, plus there is a reasonable (though limited) emulation of vi in the "e3" editor (in ports/editors/e3) which is some 25k (yes twentyfive) statically linked. cheers luigi