Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:58:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Hamby <jehamby@lightside.com> To: Christoph Kukulies <kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Cc: Sean Kelly <kelly@yarmouth>, kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win32 (was:Re: Go SCSI! Big improvement...) Message-ID: <Pine.AUX.3.91.960226164659.108B-100000@covina.lightside.com> In-Reply-To: <199602261704.SAA01438@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>
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On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Christoph P. Kukulies wrote: > OK, these may be my opinions but I think others my come to similar > conclusions. Tcl/Tk isn't something that knocks you off your socks, > same is Motif. I played with tkWM - pleppedeplepp. Where is an IDE > (Integrated development environment)? I doubt that Tcl/Tk > would develop as the incending force to produce myriads of applications > in a manner Win32 does. Spend a day with a Win32/MSVC++ programmer. > You would want to have this under Unix. > > -provoke mode off :-) I agree 100%!! Once I started using Win32/MFC/VC++ I really started to feel disappointed in the traditional Unix programming tools, including Motif. Typically you spend 10 times as much money under Sun (for tools that aren't even available for FreeBSD, or even Linux) and you get an environment that do maybe 1/2 of what Visual C++ does. As for the free tools, well, GCC and Emacs are nice, but make is a pain, and GDB (even xxgdb) is so tedious, I'd rather just put "printf"'s into my program to debug it!!! Basically, my plan is to take the FreeBSD utilities, port them to Win32 with full GUI interfaces (I mentioned the details in another post), then eventually be able to "back-port" them to FreeBSD, probably using TWIN. If not, then at least the core functionality will be wrapped into C++ classes, so some other enterprising person could write their own user interface (whether Motif, Tcl/Tk, or whatever) around it. Basically, by making Win32 versions of Unix utilities, I aim not only to make my own environment more convenient when I'm in Windows, but also to provoke the Unix world to maybe realize what is wrong with traditional command-line utilities and administration tools. Face it, any idiot can administer Windows NT, but it takes a lot of work to design a full-featured OS that anyone can administrate. I wish Unix would become THAT easy to administer, and THAT easy to program, then it has a chance to be that much more popular! ---Jake
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