From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Jun 18 17:39:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B668A151B7; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomg@nrnet.org) Received: from mailhost.nrnet.org (root@mailhost.nrnet.org [166.84.192.39]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with ESMTP id UAA16116; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tomg@localhost) by mailhost.nrnet.org (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA02510; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:36:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Good Reply-To: Thomas Good To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Beware of UnixWare 7 In-Reply-To: <19990619085444.O2863@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > > I have run UnixWare since day 1 - when Novell bought it from USL. > > I used it right from the beginning. The problems I recall were > disappearing files and failing NFS config; the latter was crucial for > the work I was doing, and the only way I found to fix it was to > reinstall NFS. I found that with Sendmail too. They forgot about makemap, as I said. They also didn't include any m4 macros. And so on. And trying to conf UUCP over TCP is also quite a bit of fun. Installing Taylor helps there. I have a long list of things that I can do on other implementations (even Solaris) that take three times as long on UW... > > SCO cleaned that up but everything that used to be free on UW1.1 is > > now activated by a licence key and $$$. It's approx $795 to turn on > > anything (even netscape)... > > I thought the licenses were free. I got the main license for free, > anyway. Well, I can't comment on UW 7 and its licencing scheme but on 2.1.2 Netscape Fast Track expires and then demands a cash infusion. Similarly, I got DOS Merge for about 30 days before he expired. Morningstar PPP demanded a financial jumpstart before I could even fire it up. > > I run 2.1.2 on a production box - at least for now. (Moving > > to Slackware soon on this box...) The lamest implementation of > > Unix I've ever seen. > > It looks like you haven't used OpenServer. I think UnixWare is > better. Actually, I have...in one respect it is better than UW. It is one system as opposed to the soup that is UnixWare. USL, Novell and now SCO. UW is the quintessential white elephant and it shows. Maybe UW 7 is better but I stopped caring awhile back. BSD is our choice for mail servers and Slackware is my option for my PostgreSQL servers...it is very obvious to me (using Slackware since 2.3) that Patrick is ultra scrupulous about testing everything before he issues a new release. I also install BSD and *expect* that everything will work. Because it always has... > > Many conf tasks remain non-trivial as compared to BSD or Linux due > > to inexpertise on SCO's end...as the red Sytem Admin Handbook once > > stated (Neveth, Snyder et al.) SCO Unix* is `perverse'. > > This is Open[Server,Deathtrap], not UnixWare. A completely different > system. True - but SCO has a very heavy hand...as mentioned above I *almost* prefer OpenServer. I'm rather pleased that my shop will move our last database from PROGRESS on UW to PostgreSQL on Slackware 01 July 99. That will end our relationship with SCO and PROGRESS. > I've tried twice more to install UnixWare. It makes all the right > noises, but on reboot it just hangs. I'm giving up now. So you won't be wanting a subscription to SCO World for father's day, eh? Cheers, Tom ------- North Richmond Community Mental Health Center ------- Thomas Good MIS Coordinator Vital Signs: tomg@ { admin | q8 } .nrnet.org Phone: 718-354-5528 Fax: 718-354-5056 /* Member: Computer Professionals For Social Responsibility */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message