From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 27 20:16:12 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB45D15CCB06 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 591656F686 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: c8mNBQoVM1m3SjetDagMNBwJbz1.L._XgbbDynW_9bXmsstgxe84n8_GgA4G_Be MSJ4jXaYSJ03nJovScZn8IjkTys7MZwIu8e6P5atuOs_03c9uYrkHNY5efpfbkI04I.JRMGbPbpu VhRx2uFQEBEX6mX99SRYqcNytuq0qsBc3ieI9kEeg1L4QRX1naWKDW_GZYl2DkDPjrPSZmesTw4U 39w.ZSTnAIraK1lm2gQz284YnvllEgGnmt.Kb1cZYXePG0YVqIAQtiu.kv3ClBkWz.B1gNnA6ubQ rcb1T9OzSGvou7FH.dA0Z.qoHYGajKM.GnRhNYG9f8rIfiGRUg6ej2_vjCJwtkPa9x9kV3J_zKsY shckgLf01nJAdmTHV.BBkoAe5k8T8xyHaP9hLDrL12znU5G02dofqLl8fuBwm.9LCy75fETx6uAv y195J.xD_7rATMp.GUh7rl5EmiqUMFrLkFSlWg6cxAq5rhSiFCbZ.EBuvAH88gSNLpeFo9ChL9ga p_jW5nRGVVV5_E8g3D1oL.14Q6LIGtHprKVjSSAOwOH69rcW3K6aisuVsBzZPoIR.zbxwX.xoBRJ xlBm32hQVCRTPjxmHRatf8tjG63aK7cffAvULB9RRh2h.693CVy32Ug8oMrnO6vsdKNfEcYH.9FP 7FnNf5at6JUaPbL1swSqL4ze36c1CiFELx7.i4Z.o2en_zv_ucs0QeGxNDPCcICnr3cr4_fBxf7D jTiiVnRVY6IbFbvTL0TdcGVqgAXsUPL3Q_k.m9FW1KCwl5OCMsQRj0TCArp0GQQo.lE2JM9MmEcx TxXwI2a9ByPHy9XcXX1mbn39VVMkfBCxIQJjPPxMtqE2sxQ5SqFCZbqaCLwio8ZpWFkIm3hXeECJ aG.EavXydMWprs7Pg7zN9.5pO09GZNetGrO07hGZjv0o_dY7LHe35IO2lNwqGkzCW5nFWSx_qvBm 7vAhXbnMITSumaeovqmzfVvT0kVRi6fvKFxyWQNhDluYClKv0WvV.WTNvnrJy0LrcpvRHSLE4M5R cQjNynZVQ.eSY2LQeOT3SggF74vGE_sWEy4Ox.p5QwP4szjiLcZEAiBY2EYkv848xjaj7yK24krn egGaTebyFmPQklUkfpYbIdr9pwNIgPEtCt_IUvfNQRlRXSTeTwG57J_p4z6FcSqh94nvmF4omAci gExzz62FAN2S_djQeAsvgk8KC_tVixWJEXVnHBLeYIRY.F_rSVFxhuF0NKYD0n.IfJbBdvj4- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:16:02 +0000 Received: from x2f44acb.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([2.244.74.203]) by smtp427.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6ec9865e0c1f2ad061c17b7104173c60 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 22:16:04 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I've got a major question... Message-ID: <20190627221604.7794d7b0@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20190627151221.00004412@seibercom.net> References: <20190626063443.51ad3f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627081518.9dc6f3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627091012.44fc65a7@archlinux> <20190627103701.7ea401b8@archlinux> <20190627110340.d0d87cfe.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627113712.8a8ffbb238f478b08514cf72@sohara.org> <20190627080134.000012d6@seibercom.net> <20190627141756.1bf4a848.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627153043.7ce7553c@archlinux> <77a7ea05-6264-d052-e03b-1cc889172f38@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20190627151221.00004412@seibercom.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 591656F686 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.63 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mta6.am0.yahoodns.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[203.74.244.2.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:87.248.110.0/24, country:GB]; IP_SCORE(1.54)[ip: (3.32), ipnet: 87.248.110.0/24(2.58), asn: 34010(1.89), country: GB(-0.09)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.86)[0.861,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.84)[0.839,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.89)[0.887,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[84.110.248.87.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[84.110.248.87.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:16:12 -0000 On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:12:21 -0400, Jerry wrote: >I am not a socialist who wants something for nothing. >Nothing is more expensive than "free". This is based upon a fundamental error in reasoning. Software to rent for artists could be a serious problem. I don't want the software for free as in beer. I want to buy (pay for it and then own) the software I want to use, since there are times when I have money and there are times all I've got to eat, are the wallpapers from my walls. To do some work, the software to do the work is needed. If an artist can't pay the rent for the software, the artist can't do the artwork to earn money. You might argue that instead of paying a lot of money at on time, set up an account with all that money and set up a standing order for the rent. This is worldly innocent, such preliminary planning isn't an option for everybody, let alone that not everybody using professional software, is using it for a business model. Btw. a worldview were things are for free as in beer isn't necessarily a socialists worldview. In 100 years and maybe much earlier, an unconditional basic income most likely is the only solution to preserve civilisation. Market economy, even social market economy as we know it, unlikely will exist for much longer. The importance of FLOSS most likely will increase, this is not necessarily related to UNIX/POSIX alike operating systems. To me the attempts to provide more and more software for a rent only, seems to be the last resort to rip off users for the very last time, before the world order will make a fundamental change related to economy, ecological awareness and social progress.