From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 17 06:04:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777EE16A4DF; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avalon@caligula.anu.edu.au) Received: from caligula.anu.edu.au (caligula.anu.edu.au [150.203.224.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46C143D45; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:04:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from avalon@caligula.anu.edu.au) Received: from caligula.anu.edu.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by caligula.anu.edu.au (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H63pbT017633; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:03:51 +1000 (EST) Received: (from avalon@localhost) by caligula.anu.edu.au (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k6H63lgD017631; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:03:47 +1000 (EST) From: Darren Reed Message-Id: <200607170603.k6H63lgD017631@caligula.anu.edu.au> To: daniel@benzedrine.cx (Daniel Hartmeier) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:03:47 +1000 (Australia/ACT) In-Reply-To: <20060716214456.GE3240@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> from "Daniel Hartmeier" at Jul 16, 2006 11:44:56 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-pf@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any ongoing effort to port /etc/rc.d/pf_boot, X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:04:02 -0000 In some mail from Daniel Hartmeier, sie said: ... > I'm not sure the average user _really_ is worried enough about that > half a second period on boot. But I DO know there will be people locking > themselves out from far-away remote hosts (on updates, for instance) if > this becomes the default. For me this has always been the over riding reason to have IPFilter always default (as shipped) to default allow. There are just too many things that can go wrong that can lead to no access to a system. That said, I believe NetBSD (and FreeBSD?) have this: options IPFILTER_DEFAULT_BLOCK You might want to do something similar for pf to make this easier for those who (think they) now what they're doing. Darren