From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 19 14:50:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E268537B491 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:03:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Redundancy... Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:03:04 -0500 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC8.1D663C70" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC8.1D663C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On a side note, make sure that the ISP that you co-locate has gas powered generators as well as backups protecting your servers, or it wont really do you much good to have it hosted out of some guy's basement =) -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Dave VanAuken [mailto:dave@hawk-systems.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:56 PM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Redundancy... Sensitivity: Confidential What I am getting at is the following: obviously if your building is out, none of your employees at the building need access to the servers (they are most certainly our before your servers are out). Thus, what are you concerned about keeping alive during extended outages. All those servers? This may or may not be an option, but segregate the resources that much be live 24x7 (probably not your office client server applications) and co-locate those. Don't bother having a local copy of them since it is probably just as easy to update the content at your co-located site. Then the only thing you keep local is your interoffice lcient server stuff shich if the building goes down, nobody is live to use anyway. Does that track? Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bryan Bunch Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:27 PM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Redundancy... Sensitivity: Confidential Dave, We would want to co-locate 4-5 boxes (all FreeBSD & 1 NT). One box is a DB server (MySQL) and the others are web servers. We currently are no co-locating. All of our boxes are currently under our roof along with the bandwidth (2 T-1's). As we found out, the biggest point of failure that we have is if there is an extended power outage at our location. Bryan > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave VanAuken > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:42 AM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Redundancy... > Sensitivity: Confidential > > > My question would be what are you wanting to co-locate... If you are > already paying for the colocation, the next questions would be, why > duplicate the servers locally? same administration requirements. > > Would need a better idea of what you would co-locate and what > resources we are talking about to give you a better idea of what sort > of solution you would need (ie: we talking a web site, shared > database, remote login resources...). > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bryan Bunch > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:17 AM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Redundancy... > Sensitivity: Confidential > > > Hello All, > > I have a question on the best way to handle a situation that we > recently had. We had some pretty bad storms come through our city > (Birmingham, AL) and had the power to our offices knocked out for a > little over two days. We have been there for 3 1/2 years and this has > been the only major outage that we have experienced. We have the > standard UPS's that handle just about every power situation that we > have experienced, but obviously this time we were dead in the water. I > know the obvious answer, "get a generator", but the office we are in > that is not currently an option. I was wondering if anyone had any > opinions on what could be set up as far as co-locating some boxes at a > provider that has a generator and somehow putting routes into their > router via BGP that would 'kick in' for us in case we had another > extended power outage. This was just the first thing that popped into > my head, but obviously other people have had to address the same issue > as well. > > Thanks for any advice/thoughts on the matter. > > > Bryan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC8.1D663C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Redundancy...

On a side note, make sure that the ISP that you = co-locate has gas powered generators as well as backups protecting your = servers, or it wont really do you much good to have it hosted out of = some guy's basement =3D)

-Drew


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave VanAuken [mailto:dave@hawk-systems.com]<= /FONT>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:56 PM
To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: RE: Redundancy...
Sensitivity: Confidential


What I am getting at is the following:

obviously if your building is out, none of your = employees at the
building need access to the servers (they are most = certainly our
before your servers are out).

Thus, what are you concerned about keeping alive = during extended
outages.  All those servers?

This may or may not be an option, but segregate the = resources that
much be live 24x7 (probably not your office client = server
applications) and co-locate those.  Don't = bother having a local copy
of them since it is probably just as easy to update = the content at
your co-located site.

Then the only thing you keep local is your = interoffice lcient server
stuff shich if the building goes down, nobody is = live to use anyway.

Does that track?

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@F= reeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bryan Bunch
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:27 PM
To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: RE: Redundancy...
Sensitivity: Confidential


Dave,

We would want to co-locate 4-5 boxes (all FreeBSD = & 1 NT). One box is
a DB
server (MySQL) and the others are web servers. We = currently are no
co-locating.
All of our boxes are currently under our roof along = with the bandwidth
(2
T-1's). As we found out, the biggest point of = failure that we have is
if there
is an extended power outage at our location.



Bryan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@F= reeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave VanAuken
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:42 AM
> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: RE: Redundancy...
> Sensitivity: Confidential
>
>
> My question would be what are you wanting to = co-locate...  If you
are
> already paying for the colocation, the next = questions would be, why
> duplicate the servers locally? same = administration requirements.
>
> Would need a better idea of what you would = co-locate and what
> resources we are talking about to give you a = better idea of what
sort
> of solution you would need (ie: we talking a = web site, shared
> database, remote login resources...).
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@F= reeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bryan Bunch
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:17 AM
> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Redundancy...
> Sensitivity: Confidential
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have a question on the best way to handle a = situation that we
> recently had. We had some pretty bad storms = come through our city
> (Birmingham, AL) and had the power to our = offices knocked out for a
> little over two days. We have been there for 3 = 1/2 years and this
has
> been the only major outage that we have = experienced. We have the
> standard UPS's that handle just about every = power situation that we
> have experienced, but obviously this time we = were dead in the water.
I
> know the obvious answer, "get a = generator", but the office we are in
> that is not currently an option. I was = wondering if anyone had any
> opinions on what could be set up as far as = co-locating some boxes at
a
> provider that has a generator and somehow = putting routes into their
> router via BGP that would 'kick in' for us in = case we had another
> extended power outage. This was just the first = thing that popped
into
> my head, but obviously other people have had to = address the same
issue
> as well.
>
> Thanks for any advice/thoughts on the = matter.
>
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the = body of the message
>
>
>
>
> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the = body of the message
>



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