From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 19 08:59:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACCA1065670 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stefan.lambrev@moneybookers.com) Received: from blah.sun-fish.com (blah.sun-fish.com [217.18.249.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CC18FC1A for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:59:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stefan.lambrev@moneybookers.com) Received: by blah.sun-fish.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E234A1B10F14; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:59:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on malcho.cmotd.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Received: from hater.haters.org (hater.cmotd.com [192.168.3.125]) by blah.sun-fish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A721B10F00; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48D36A09.30802@moneybookers.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:59:53 +0300 From: Stefan Lambrev User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080813) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jo Rhett References: <47d0403c0809051319r3c82f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com> <2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4D@netconsonance.com> <0C2C7E9B-61E3-4720-B76F-4745A3C963DA@netconsonance.com> <658B8861-1E78-4767-8D3D-8B79CC0BD45F@netconsonance.com> <15F15FD1-3C53-4018-8792-BC63289DC4C2@netconsonance.com> <20080918220213.GA94268@sysmon.tcworks.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8287/Fri Sep 19 10:13:26 2008 on blah.cmotd.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:59:58 -0000 Hi, Jo Rhett wrote: > I agree with pretty much everything you've said here, with the obvious > exception that I don't know what's involved in the release management > process to do as you've said. > > Also for my own self, rather than resurrect 6.2 I'd personally rather > focus on what we could do to extend the support period for 6.4. And > other releases going forward. If you want extended support period, you should go for 7.1 If I remember correctly .1 REL is supposed to be the target for all binary programs/drivers. But if your target is not only security fixes, but drivers (included in base) and new features then release is not working for you, right? Because new drivers are never back-ported to release, best they go to -stable, but you are not tracking -stable? As I understand if you track stable then you really do not care about the numbers after the dot - you are using just 6.x or 7.x (or 8.x in future) And 7-stable will not reach EOL at least next 4-5 years. Sorry if you already answer this, but the thread is very long and it's hard to track every mail in it. My simple question is how you plan to benefit if 7.1 have extended EOL? You will stick with 7.1Release (RELENG_7_1) and security patches, or to (RELENG_7) - which include new drivers? I'm asking because you said, that the main problem with EOL is not fixing bugs which you can do fine, but new drivers that are not back-ported. How you think this can be solved? Most business user do not want new driver to be masked as security update? -- Best Wishes, Stefan Lambrev ICQ# 24134177