From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 4 13:16:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F560106564A; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED1F8FC19; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820781CD17B; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:16:18 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: rXF7KLAAqFGOMAFJIgwgyXV29LtEJzB+W0cOm9z9lnAU 1228396578 Received: from empiric.lon.incunabulum.net (82-35-112-254.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk [82.35.112.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AEA733A2C1; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:16:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4937D820.8080803@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:16:16 +0000 From: "Bruce M. Simpson" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kostik Belousov References: <8cb6106e0811241129o642dcf28re4ae177c8ccbaa25@mail.gmail.com> <20081125140601.GH2042@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <8cb6106e0811250617q5fffb41exe20dfb8314fc4a9d@mail.gmail.com> <20081125142827.GI2042@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <8cb6106e0811250657q6fdf08b0x1e94f35fd0a7ed4f@mail.gmail.com> <20081125150342.GL2042@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <8cb6106e0812031453j6dc2f2f4i374145823c084eaa@mail.gmail.com> <49378379.5050900@FreeBSD.org> <20081204105129.GA2246@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> In-Reply-To: <20081204105129.GA2246@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: josh.carroll@gmail.com, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: ext2 inode size patch - RE: PR kern/124621 X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:16:19 -0000 Kostik Belousov wrote: > ... > Bruce, feel free to commit the patch. > > I do not want to spend time on ext2 in any form, and due to our (only > partly jokingly) rule of the "last committer is the owner", I do not > want to analyze ext2 bug reports after. > Yes, development resource is limited here too, and any involvement on my part here DOES NOT constitute any commitment, express or implied, to maintaining the ext2fs module beyond the change being considered right now. I find that this often has to be reiterated as people are prone to confusing the concepts "open source" and "free", basic economics dictates infinite demand for free goods, and we've all got lives to live. As per our off-list discussion: It's a damned if we do and damned if we don't situation. Take the patch and it eats someone's lunch, and our reptuation suffers. Don't take the patch and look like patriarchal killjoys, and our reputation siffers. Your specific objection is that the testing is insufficient to exercise the patch, and there could be an area of ext2 which this patch doesn't address. That can never be said with 100% certainty, but I agree with you. Content free argument: Based on my reading of the code, the patch must be considered experimental. Whilst the scope of the patch appears to be small, the symbol space of ext2 is bigger -- a case of feeping creaturism due to ext2 itself, but hey, that's evolution for you. If folk are happy with it going in, let it go in, but remember, you get the system you apply effort to. I myself consider the patch experimental -- but HEAD is an experiment, is it not? Reality is what you can get away with. cheers BMS