Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 17:48:43 +0100 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade 8.4-STABLE to 14-STABLE Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSigC5vcD9Op6d9BUogrVhdjsUHEv=WNz0H1piYMe2qwfoA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAMtcK2q0hZDKVWfyVo%2BqvazVumYw87fHzthFF5eLaApJMZgnpw@mail.gmail.com> References: <ZbTRS3BKe07hoiNM@furbag.my.domain> <26037.2349.49416.506078@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <CAMtcK2q0hZDKVWfyVo%2BqvazVumYw87fHzthFF5eLaApJMZgnpw@mail.gmail.com>
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--000000000000a8fa06060ff031ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---> As for the argument that it's worth doing to learn how things work, unless you expect to do something like this again, it's not clear that it's a good use of one's time. Sure, it can be satisfying to make FreeBSD run on an ipod or clock radio but how practical is the knowledge gained there? Not many mechanics of my experience learn how to forge spanners and wrenches that can be easily purchased. I think that one can learn something from almost everything. Concerning me,I have to say that I do what I like and I try to learn from that. I don't care if I can take some shortcut or not. Regarding the specific case,I'm almost excited to try and to learn how to upgrade an old FreeBSD system to the newest one. It would be a jump from the past,when I didn't use FreeBSD until today,to see how this OS evolved. This is the perfect paradigm for the life of someone. It's so important to understand how I was when I was young,and then adolescent and then man. Is important to understand which factors and relations between the context and my inner self have been involved in the growth. On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 5:29=E2=80=AFPM paul beard <paulbeard@gmail.com> wr= ote: > I'll second this as well. Just did something similar, and it was far > easier to simply build a new system and restore from backup or mount the > old filesystems (I don't use ZFS or anything like that). > > As for the argument that it's worth doing to learn how things work, unles= s > you expect to do something like this again, it's not clear that it's a go= od > use of one's time. Sure, it can be satisfying to make FreeBSD run on an > ipod or clock radio but how practical is the knowledge gained there? Not > many mechanics of my experience learn how to forge spanners and wrenches > that can be easily purchased. > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 5:46=E2=80=AFAM Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com> = wrote: > >> >> Karl Vogel: >> >> > On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 02:56:05AM -0500, Odhiambo Washington wrote: >> > > Is there a way to upgrade 8.4-STABLE to 14-STABLE, or even change >> it to >> > > 14-RELEASE? >> > >> > Seriously, if it's possible don't even try. Make (and test) a goo= d >> > backup, do a clean install from scratch, and restore your old stuf= f. >> > >> > You don't want any part of a nightmare like that. >> >> I'm with Karl (and others) on this. >> And it occurs to me it might not even work. Exactly how old is >> the hardware, and what does it have (or not have) that might cause >> modern software to cough up a hairball? >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> Robert Huff >> >> >> > > -- > Paul Beard / www.paulbeard.org/ > --=20 Mario. --000000000000a8fa06060ff031ae Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>---> As for the argument=C2=A0that it's worth = doing to learn how things work, unless you expect to do something like this again, it's not clear that= =20 it's a good use of one's time. Sure, it can be satisfying=C2=A0to m= ake=20 FreeBSD run on an ipod or clock radio but how practical is the=20 knowledge=C2=A0gained there? Not many mechanics of my experience=C2=A0learn= how to forge spanners and wrenches that can be easily=C2=A0purchased.=C2=A0</div>= <div><br></div><div>I think that one can learn something from almost everyt= hing. Concerning me,I have to say that I do what I like and I try to learn = from that. I don't care if I can take some shortcut or not. Regarding t= he specific case,I'm almost excited to try and to learn how to upgrade = an old FreeBSD system to the newest one. It would be a jump from the past,w= hen I didn't use FreeBSD until today,to see how this OS evolved. This i= s the perfect paradigm for the life of someone. It's so important to un= derstand how I was when I was young,and then adolescent and then man. Is im= portant to understand which factors and relations between the context and m= y inner self have been involved in the growth. <br></div><div><br></div><di= v><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"= gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 5:29=E2=80=AFPM paul beard <<a href= =3D"mailto:paulbeard@gmail.com">paulbeard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div= ><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border= -left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I'l= l second=C2=A0this as well. Just did something similar, and it was far easi= er to simply build a new system and restore from backup or mount the old fi= lesystems (I don't use ZFS or anything=C2=A0like that).=C2=A0<div><br><= /div><div>As for the argument=C2=A0that it's worth doing to learn how t= hings work, unless you expect to do something like this again, it's not= clear that it's a good use of one's time. Sure, it can be satisfyi= ng=C2=A0to make FreeBSD run on an ipod or clock radio but how practical is = the knowledge=C2=A0gained there? Not many mechanics of my experience=C2=A0l= earn how to forge spanners and wrenches that can be easily=C2=A0purchased.= =C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"= gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 5:46=E2=80=AFAM Robert Huff <<a href= =3D"mailto:roberthuff@rcn.com" target=3D"_blank">roberthuff@rcn.com</a>>= wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br> Karl Vogel:<br> <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 02:56:05AM -0500, Odhiambo Washing= ton wrote:<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0> Is there a way to upgrade 8.4-STABLE to 14-STABLE, or= even change it to<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0> 14-RELEASE?<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seriously, if it's possible don't even try.= =C2=A0 Make (and test) a good<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0backup, do a clean install from scratch, and restor= e your old stuff.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0You don't want any part of a nightmare like tha= t.<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I'm with Karl (and others) on this.<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 And it occurs to me it might not even work.=C2= =A0 Exactly how old is<br> the hardware, and what does it have (or not have) that might cause<br> modern software to cough up a hairball?<br> <br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Respectfully,<br> <br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Robert Huff<br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_si= gnature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Pa= ul Beard / <a href=3D"http://www.paulbeard.org/" target=3D"_blank">www.paul= beard.org/</a><br></div> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pre= fix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature">Mario.<br></d= iv> --000000000000a8fa06060ff031ae--
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