From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 6 19:48:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9E937B409 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E0443FAF for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84BAA51A6D; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:17:55 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:17:55 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: John Martinez Message-ID: <20030407024755.GF2392@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030407014624.GC2392@wantadilla.lemis.com> <99C05E18-689F-11D7-B7DE-0003937C0B34@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="B0nZA57HJSoPbsHY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <99C05E18-689F-11D7-B7DE-0003937C0B34@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Brilliant and very useful for FreeBSD, IMHO X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 02:48:05 -0000 --B0nZA57HJSoPbsHY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 6 April 2003 at 19:21:11 -0700, John Martinez wrote: > On Sunday, April 6, 2003, at 06:46 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> If you think it can't be easier to use than Linux if it has the same >> GUI, you're looking in the wrong place. > > I'm not looking for a GUI in FreeBSD. I know the greatness of FreeBSD. > I use it every day. > > I'm content with using KDE on a FreeBSD desktop, where needed. But what > about somebody who can't configure X11 if their life depended on it? > Right now, the uninitiated shy away and go to Linux for their > "alternative" to the big one from Redmond. It's mainly because the GUI > starts up at the beginning. This is definitely a thing we can work on. It's pretty trivial to install the system with xdm, but we don't make it clear enough to the category of people who want it like that. >>> I prefer BSD myself, and that's one of the reasons I went with a Mac >>> with OS X. >> >> This is probably a good way to go if you like eye candy. > > And a whole bunch of other reasons besides. > > I'm not saying that FreeBSD doesn't make a good desktop. I'm just > saying that certain aspects of it need to be changed in order for it > to get broader acceptance. If the FreeBSD powers don't want that, > then so be it. I'll still continue to use it (and its cousins) > because I prefer it to Linux for many of my applications and needs. FreeBSD can definitely be improved for newcomers, no doubt. Don't misunderstand what I said before: I make my viewpoint clearer in the Daemon's Advocate columns, for example http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200208/dadvocate.html. Yes, we need better desktop support. No, I don't think we should repeat the mistakes that Microsoft made. If you want a Microsoft-like environment, you probably can't do better than Microsoft. My issue is how to make things easier for people who come from Microsoft, not to copy the environment from which they have come. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --B0nZA57HJSoPbsHY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+kObbIubykFB6QiMRAlCBAJ9z7ff9rdV4TWZnc7k1uDtiRx3KhgCgifkb ai+cgbwkufBnJuUYR/CLwQ0= =Cwqr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --B0nZA57HJSoPbsHY--