From nobody Tue Jun 30 11:40:47 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4gqLnL4GSsz6k4D1 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2026 11:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fahnoe@fahnoetech.com) Received: from mail-10624.protonmail.ch (mail-10624.protonmail.ch [79.135.106.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "R12" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4gqLnL0gz9z44BK for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2026 11:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fahnoe@fahnoetech.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fahnoetech.com; s=protonmail; t=1782819650; x=1783078850; bh=kwQrwqjCj+hvHf9JDp1gQlnw+eXjjfMoLUL4jC4+AQU=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=GVdtvC1NeDLKekcTEVEOm1HNS2R42Qb5Qqc9ZZjKL6Yhi/Ih/lQldygT9tBC6E4KI jCrpMp+VEjcxCTM/3l2Q0P6+tGbcmLegJwnlxkgkt+//OCDg5z8ufXVBqkpi3PQjIm MoGkmry4M74Vj7aUl9XBlY1MEWelVc4OLOE1JaSa3pANaCs2gBzbDvYFJK/T3oLZTd NjWYG7xAIij683shO3BRR1LihpdycMPi08G/0b/wFw7u7mN+AWuNHcQT9PI6ju+pYr djwxMnSe4dg9ID3H3RZW3sLWyvpR0a2FACtLCdUji3Yq5d9lEZVyLkOZH/AFjJFYru 46aZzUrFaULjg== Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2026 11:40:47 +0000 To: Mark Millard From: Larry Fahnoe Cc: Alexander Ziaee , vermaden , Lexi Winter , freebsd-pkgbase Subject: Re: None of "man freebsd-base" (or "man pkgbase"), "man pkg-upgrade", or "man pkg-install" deal with documenting .pkgsave and/or .pkgnew behavior or how to handle such Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03d3d0aa-4dd0-4732-a4a8-0aca88b49263@yahoo.com> References: <03d3d0aa-4dd0-4732-a4a8-0aca88b49263@yahoo.com> Feedback-ID: 17174371:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 9a9ca4ebde34bb7e338d96313d0c46aa2fe45a17 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:79.135.106.0/24, country:CH] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4gqLnL0gz9z44BK X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated On Monday, June 29th, 2026 at 10:00 AM, Mark Millard wr= ote: > I have suggested elsewhere that the last of the output from those > commands should probably list the counts of each of *.pkgnew and > *.pkgave such files generated for any where the count is positive. That > would make a good prompt to go looking --and allow avoiding looking when > none were generated. I would second this comment/suggestion, particularly for those who are newe= r or less familiar with FreeBSD update practices. My system admin experienc= e comes from other platforms (VMS, linux and other unix) so I have been pay= ing attention to the conversations that are mentioning the *.pkgnew and *.p= kgsave files as they seem a bit less intuitive than on the other platforms.= For some it may be natural to go looking for these leftover telltales but = they may represent important but neglected potential time-bombs for the les= s familiar. --Larry