From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 18:44:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEED16A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:44:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9AA43D2F for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:44:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (net4801-2 [192.168.254.1]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC604B9CA; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:40:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 19:40:37 +0100 From: cpghost@cordula.ws To: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg Message-ID: <20050215184037.GB58593@fw.farid-hajji.net> References: <420C2C33.4020607@black-star.net> <20050215030014.GA53931@fw.farid-hajji.net> <42120E70.3040007@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42120E70.3040007@401.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: cpghost@cordula.ws cc: Steve Ireland Subject: Re: please, a little sanity about the logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:44:39 -0000 On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 04:00:00PM +0100, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > >This is similar to SuSE, RedHat and others who use their own > >logos to distribute the one and only Linux kernel and > >an assorted set of libraries and utilities. "Linux" itself > >doesn't have a logo either (if we followed the party line > >that Tux and Beastie were mascots and not logos). > > Thats because nobody runs Linux. They run RedHat, SuSe, Debian > etc. Linux is a kernel, FreeBSD is an OS. There is a big difference. > Your logic here implies that the suggestion would be to create a > logo for the FreeBSD *kernel*, and that has afaik never even been > brought up. No, this is not a Kernel vs. OS argument. It's about the difference between the developers (kernel + userland in Linuxland, or the whole FreeBSD OS in our case), and the vendors. The developers do what they can do best: writing and testing excellent code. The vendors package that stuff in neat boxes, print advertizing and send out people to convince the "suits" to buy their packed product. Vendors are excellent at designing logos, and at marketing (at least they should be!), while developers excel at coding. That's my point, not that silly Kernel+Userland vs Whole OS comparison. > >The FreeBSD Project should IMHO remain vendor neutral, > >and stick to code development. > > Absolutely. No argument here, and so far I have not heard anyone > else, pro or con image change, argue otherwise. This is exactly the point here. By calling for a logo competition, the Project is mutating into a vendor. If that is really the idea, a lot of problems could ensue, e.g. for the Foundation's non-profit status etc... Talking about this is perhaps much more important that a puny fight over logos, Beastie, or whatever. > As pointed out earlier, FreeBSD runs on more edge webservers then > most of the linux distros combined, and still hardly anyone > outside the community of hardcore geeks knows what BSD is. Just > that sentence alone should get people to realize that maybe we > are missing something here! You're absolutely right here! Cheers, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/