From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 11 00:59:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6277BE3; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.fisglobal.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Secure Server CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A993919B0; Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.193]) by ltcfislmsgpa05.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3B0x1AO001678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:59:01 -0500 Received: from THEMADHATTER (10.242.181.54) by smarthost.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.193) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.174.1; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:58:59 -0500 From: Sender: Devin Teske To: , "'Doug Hardie'" References: <175D3755-BB9B-4EAD-BDAD-06E9670E06AB@lafn.org> <186472F9-A97B-4863-81BC-67BE788D5E9A@lafn.org> <791C8200-023A-4ACB-9B6F-F5A8B0E170F4@lafn.org> <5bfb4fb619954c3dfbd3499aafa98917.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <4F983E6A-0A7D-403C-AFAA-9CCCCB05716F@lafn.org> <0f3f01cf5439$13cf8570$3b6e9050$@FreeBSD.org> <981CAA9F-1E67-4E56-A119-BA6D1D29F383@lafn.org> <0fd801cf550e$796db610$6c492230$@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <0fd801cf550e$796db610$6c492230$@FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: 9.2 Boot Problem Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:58:55 -0700 Message-ID: <0fee01cf5521$37a6be30$a6f43a90$@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQIen2IJxjY9xQVhZGKzZxIbMLf02AIi1K1LAgvdaV8CCgXzYgMYVRmnAc87HM4BqwKXZALxR6inAVHkpQIBgyw/s5nYdWyA Content-Language: en-us X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.96, 1.0.14, 0.0.0000 definitions=2014-04-10_06:2014-04-11,2014-04-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, 'Chris H' X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 00:59:16 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: dteske@FreeBSD.org [mailto:dteske@FreeBSD.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:45 PM > To: 'Doug Hardie'; dteske@FreeBSD.org > Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; 'Chris H' > Subject: RE: 9.2 Boot Problem > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Hardie [mailto:bc979@lafn.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:54 PM > > To: dteske@FreeBSD.org > > Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; 'Chris H' > > Subject: Re: 9.2 Boot Problem > > > > > > On 9 April 2014, at 14:17, dteske@FreeBSD.org wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Chris H [mailto:bsd-lists@bsdforge.com] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:03 PM > > >> To: Doug Hardie > > >> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org List > > >> Subject: Re: 9.2 Boot Problem > > >> > > >>> > > >>> On 9 April 2014, at 13:49, "Chris H" wrote: > > >>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 9 April 2014, at 11:29, "Chris H" wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 4 April 2014, at 21:08, Doug Hardie wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I put this out on Questions, but got no responses. Hopefully > > >>>>>>>> someone here has some ideas. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> FreeBSD 9.2. All of my systems are hanging during boot right > > >>>>>>>> after the screen that has the picture. Its as if someone hit > > >>>>>>>> a space on the keyboard. However, these systems have no > > keyboard. > > >>>>>>>> If I plug one in, or use the serial console, and enter a > > >>>>>>>> return, the boot continues properly. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The boot menu is displayed along with Beastie. However, the > > >>>>>>>> line that says Autoboot in n seconds. never appears. It just > > >>>>>>>> stops there. These are all new installs from CD systems. > > >>>>>>>> I just used freebsd-update to take a toy server from 9.1 to > > >>>>>>>> 9.2 and it doesn't exhibit this behavior. It boots properly. > > >>>>>>>> I have updated one of the production servers with the latest > > >>>>>>>> 9.2 changes and it still has the issue. I first thought that > > >>>>>>>> some config file did not get updated properly on the CD. I > > >>>>>>>> have dug around through the 4th files and don't see anything > > >>>>>>>> obvious that would cause this. I have now verified that all > > >>>>>>>> the 4th files in boot are identical (except for the version > number. > > >>>>>>>> They are slightly different). I don't believe this is a BIOS > > >>>>>>>> setting issue as FreeBSD 7.2 didn't exhibit this behavior. > > >>>>>>>> All > > >>>>>>>> 4 > > >>>>>>>> systems are on totally different motherboards. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I tried setting loader_logo="none" in /boot/config.rc and > > >>>>>>>> that eliminated the menu and Beastie. I think the system > > >>>>>>>> completed > > >> booting, but the serial console was then dead. > > >>>>>>>> It > > >>>>>>>> did not respond or output anything. I had to remove that and > > >>>>>>>> reboot to get the console back again. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I need to get this fixed as these are production servers that > > >>>>>>>> are essentially unmanned so its difficult to get them back up > > again. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> No response here either. Surely someone must know the loader. > > >>>>>>> I > > >> have been digging > > >>>>>>> through > > >>>>>>> the code, and can't find any differences between the systems > > >>>>>>> that > > >> work and those that > > >>>>>>> don't. > > >>>>>>> Is there any way to debug this? Is there a way to find out > > >>>>>>> where the > > >> loader is sitting > > >>>>>>> waiting on input from the terminal. That might give a clue as > > >>>>>>> to why it > > >> didn't > > >>>>>>> autoboot. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> OK. This is the first I've seen of your post. I'm not going to > > >>>>>> profess being an expert. But I might suggest adding the > > >>>>>> following to > > >>>>>> loader.conf(5) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> verbose_loading="YES" > > >>>>>> boot_verbose="YES" > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This raises the "noise level". Maybe that will help to provide > > >>>>>> you with a bit more information, as to what, or if, your booting. > > >>>>>> DO have a look through /boot/defaults/loader.conf for more > > >>>>>> hints, as to what, and > > >> how > > >>>>>> you can control the boot process. As well as /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > >>>>>> In fact, you can pre-decide what, and how, to boot. Even > > >>>>>> passing by the boot menu entirely. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks Chris. I did that and here is what I get: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Rebooting... > > >>>>> cpu_reset: Stopping other CPUs > > >>>>> /boot.config: -Dh > > >>>>> Consoles: internal video/keyboard serial port BIOS drive A: is > > >>>>> disk0 BIOS drive C: is disk1 BIOS 640kB/2087360kB available > > >>>>> memory > > >>>>> > > >>>>> FreeBSD/x86 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1 (doug@zool.lafn.org, > > >>>>> Tue Apr 8 20:30:20 PDT 2014) Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > > >>>>> Warning: unable to open file /boot/loader.conf.local > > >>>>> /boot/kernel/kernel text=0xdb3171 data=0xf3c04+0xbb770 > > >> syms=[0x4+0xeda80+0x4+0x1b8ebf] > > >>>>> zpool_cache...failed! > > >>>>> \ > > >>>>> H[Esc]ape to loader prompt_ _____ _____ > > >>>>> | ____| | _ \ / ____| __ \ > > >>>>> | |___ _ __ ___ ___ | |_) | (___ | | | | > > >>>>> | ___| '__/ _ \/ _ \| _ < \___ \| | | | > > >>>>> | | | | | __/ __/| |_) |____) | |__| | > > >>>>> | | | | | | || | | | > > >>>>> |_| |_| \___|\___||____/|_____/|_____/ ``` > ` > > >>>>> s` > > >>>>> `.....---.......--.``` > -/ > > >>>>> + Welcome to FreeBSD + +o .--` /y:` > +. > > >>>>> | | yo`:. :o > `+- > > >>>>> | 1. Boot Multi User [Enter] | y/ 3;46H / > > >>>>> | 2.-- / | > > >>>>> | | > > >>>>> | 4. Reboot | `: > :` > > >>>>> | | `: > :` > > >>>>> | Options: / > / > > >>>>> | 5. Configure Boot [O]ptions... .- > -. > > >>>>> | -- > -. > > >>>>> | `:` > `:` > > >>>>> | .-- > `--. > > >>>>> | .---.....----. > > >>>>> +-----------------------------------------+ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> FreeBSD `Nakatomi > > >>>>> Socrates' 9.2 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Now it waits for a return. I have tried changing the logo, > > >>>>> setting the > > >> autoboot timeout > > >>>>> and > > >>>>> a couple others. The only thing that did anything different was > > >>>>> setting > > >> the logo to an > > >>>>> invalid value. Basically the console was dead after that, but > > >>>>> the system > > >> did boot. I > > >>>>> never > > >>>>> see the Auto Boot in n seconds message. Its also interesting > > >>>>> that the list > > >> of options > > >>>>> above > > >>>>> appears incomplete. On the working system, items 1 through 5 > > >>>>> are all > > >> present. I have > > >>>>> now > > >>>>> checked all the cksum's for all the files in /boot and they are > > >>>>> all > the > > same. > > >>>>> > > >>>> Hmmm. Looks like you're going to make me do all your research, > > >>>> for > > you. > > >> ;) > > >>>> You /did/ read the contents of /boot/defaults/loader.conf. Yes? > > >>>> I'm > > >> guessing > > >>>> that you've also already read loader.4th(8), and the other > > >>>> related > info. > > >>>> Now this is pure supposition; as it appears that you're looking > > >>>> for a serial console. I'd /speculate/ that you want to turn all > > >>>> that NASTY ANSI stuff > > >> OFF > > >>>> That's why your not seeing the complete menu -- hear that Devin! > > >>>> I'm going to post just this much for now, just to get you started. > > >>>> I know what else you need/are looking for. But need to find the > > >>>> /correct/ syntax > > >> -- > > >>>> paraphrasing, just won't get it. :)\ > > >>> > > >>> Setting loader_color="NO" (from man page) does give back the full > > menu. > > >> Still waits for > > >>> return after the version name. I haven't found in the forth where > > >>> it is > > >> reading the > > >>> keyboard. Yes, I have to use a serial console. These machines > > >>> are about > > >> 100 miles away. > > >>> Something is stopping the autoboot from even starting. > > >> > > >> See my reply to this. I think I've given you the hints you need -- > > >> fingers crossed. :) > > >> > > > > > > He's using console=comconsole (serial boot). > > > When that is the case, loader_color is automatically set to NO. > > > There's no reason to set both loader_color=NO and console= > comconsole. > > > The code that does this is here: > > > > > > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/9.2.0/sys/boot/forth/color.4th? > > > revision=255898&view=markup Line 48 within the loader_color? function: > > > boot_serial? if FALSE else TRUE then > > > > > > As for answering the quandary of where the keyboard is polled during > > > the timeout countdown, that's the getkey function in here: > > > > > > > > > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/9.2.0/sys/boot/forth/menu.4th?r > > > evision=255898&view=markup > > > -- > > > > > > > > I commented out the 3 cursor positions in menu-timeout-update. It > > does not appear that word is being used. The Autoboot message never > appeared. > > Obviously getkey is being used as it does respond properly to a > > return. I > am > > beginning to suspect that menu_timeout_enabled is zero. I believe > > adding > a > > line after getkey's begin with > > > > s"menu_timeout_enabled = " type menu_timeout_enabled @ . 10 spaces > > > > will tell me. > > > > If ENTER is accepted for boot, it's quite likely that ESC is accepted to drop to > the loader prompt. In which case you can interrogate the values inter- > actively (rather than risking that a bad file-edit makes your system non- > bootable). > > To replicate your issue, I've set in /boot/loader.conf: > > autoboot_delay=NO > > This gives me the describe in-action at the menu (until keystroke). > > If I hit ENTER, it boots, or I press ESC it drops to loader prompt. > > Of course, but this time, the menu_timeout_enabled variable has been set > to zero, so you'll be stepping in at a time when it's too late to interrogate the > value pre-modification. > > Another trick is to set in loader.conf: > > loader_delay=3 > > And then Ctrl-C the delay that occurs prior to loading the menu. > You'll get a prompt _before_ the menu loads and can step through the Forth > commands one at a time (interrogating as you go -- that's what I'm doing > now, except that I don't have the reproduction of menu_timeout_enabled > becoming zero -- that's usually only the case if autoboot_delay is set to NO, > case insensitively). I thought of something... you've thus-far compared the Forth files, you've also tried rewriting the boot sector... But... Have you checked to see that /boot/defaults/loader.conf doesn't differ between your working (from-scratch install) and non-working (upgraded) boxen? Only reason I ask is because I've been writing some doing some testing to see "what happens when you make a typo in one of the *.conf files" (HINT: all remaining directives to be processed, aren't). Not saying that's what's going on here, but it gave me a thought since I hadn't heard if the defaults/loader.conf file had been checked for potential oddities between the two types of systems. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.