From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 12 14:33:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.internet.dk (ns.internet.dk [194.19.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96D237B719 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:33:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f2CMXAq92134 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG.AVP; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:33:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with UUCP id f2CMX8r92112; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:33:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (dhcp0.neland.dk [192.168.5.100]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2CMWql18085; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:32:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <00b201c0ab44$a22da4c0$6405a8c0@neland.dk> Reply-To: "Leif Neland" From: "Leif Neland" To: "Jeff Gray" , "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: References: Subject: Re: co-location model Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:34:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by ns.internet.dk id f2CMX8r92112 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > The mainframe suggestion/query is to provide real reliability, real fault > tolerance, real hardware efficiency [jail does this], real security by a > well designed mainframe OS management system, real scalability of user > resources like storage space. > > > -Does anyone offer this today at the scale of rack size bites of > physical space? Rumours are that Telia in Scandinavia are doing this. Leif > > > Jeff > > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > > > Have you looked at jail? > > > > With jail you can effectively create numerous machines in one physical > > machine. I am planning on doing this as an entry level option in our > > colo space. > > > > man jail > > > > On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Jeff Gray wrote: > > > > > Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:32:22 -0800 (PST) > > > From: Jeff Gray > > > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Cc: Jeff Gray > > > Subject: co-location model > > > > > > In thinking about the co-location model of many machines, whether 1U or > > > bigger, one realizes that lots of space, lots of energy [I am writing from > > > California], lots of iron and other materials are inefficiently consumed. > > > Let alone late night trips to the server farm. > > > > > > Instead of co-location with lots of physical servers if someone were to setup > > > a mainframe that provided, > > > -multiple OS configurations and alternatives > > > -centralized hardware management > > > -centralized security management on the mainframe > > > -flexible, reliable, scalable storage > > > > > > then space, energy, raw materials and I suspect major costs could be > > > minimized. Late night trips to the server could be eliminated! > > > > > > My two questions. > > > -Is this a reasonable long term model for ISPs and or server farms? > > > > > > -Does anyone offer this today at the scale of rack size bites of > > > physical space? > > > > > > > > > [I say mainframe only to emphasize extreme hardware and software > > > reliability]. > > > > > > Interested to hear what the community thinks. > > > > > > Thanks > > > jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com > > Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message