Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:13:39 +0200 From: Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> To: Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>, current@FreeBSD.org, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Subject: Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule Message-ID: <20120822181339.GB47706@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> In-Reply-To: <CAN6yY1vNKm5V3rNRE8cn=XSyuszxnMBnTSDFp3sP2ZqnW6x9%2BA@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAGH67wS3jGTh-=b4X%2Bto9B67=_wpfHVqTNVYK-WZ-yVNz7gepQ@mail.gmail.com> <20120821190500.GA46595@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <5033E39C.3060700@FreeBSD.org> <20120821194208.GC46595@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <5033E6BA.8080309@FreeBSD.org> <BEB6B05A-2D96-488C-AD78-3E0DD561E485@bsdimp.com> <5033EC58.3000801@FreeBSD.org> <alpine.BSF.2.00.1208220151350.78446@ai.fobar.qr> <1EFE819C-1360-4596-9241-45542D71EA7A@bsdimp.com> <CAN6yY1vNKm5V3rNRE8cn=XSyuszxnMBnTSDFp3sP2ZqnW6x9%2BA@mail.gmail.com>
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--zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:52:43AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Doug Barton wrote: > >> > >>> I don't think we have ever done a complete replacement of major > >>> infrastructure in one release. > >> > >> You mean like sysinstall can be used as an installer on 9 that would > >> do something meaningful with the current infrastructure we provide? > > > > You understood my oblique sysinstall reference... The 'can't do it in = one release' is a red herring. The current package system is by no means a= s good as sysinstall was before it was replaced. The new one is much bette= r and deserves a shot of 'replace in one' if it proves to be ready. Anythi= ng contrary to that is just obstructionism. >=20 > I don't agree. I know that I am not the only one who uses the pkgdb in > internal scripts. While getting rid of pkg_* will be a wonderful thing > and, for most of the systems I deal with the switch will happen very > soon, a couple will need major re-working to replace the use of the > pkgdb. Since these are systems that I usually run either the latest > STABLE (RELENG_9 at this time) or CURRENT, this would prevent moving > to CURRENT or 10-STABLE if I can't do so and still have the option of > sticking with the old system for a while. This is especially true for > 1.0, until things like adding SVN revision and (hopefully) options to > the DB to make working with a combination of packages and ports > reasonable. I can't imagine EVER getting away from building some > things from source using ports at any time. >=20 > Yes, I understand that getting rid of pkg_ will allow things to be > done that will be difficult (impossible?) to retrofit into pkg_*, but > this is a HUGE change for most admins, much bigger than the sysinstall > change as it will mostly impact on systems currently running FreeBSD > where sysinstall did not. >=20 > Please, please be very careful about pulling the life support plug on pkg= _*. > --=20 > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" That is the reason why I updated today the pkg_install ports so that people= will be able to keep an up to date pkg_* tools for the time the ports tree will support it, (meaning at least EOL of 9.1 and EOL of 8.3) regards, Bapt --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlA1IVMACgkQ8kTtMUmk6Ew/WwCgo1cPO+O1d7cGQ+Zcz3MnLx0B ud8AnjvfAun77oen7YUPnjwtd/ir7Sop =x0t2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O--
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