From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 28 17:06:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264F716A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:06:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com (mxfep01.bredband.com [195.54.107.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EDC43D2F; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:06:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from z3l3zt@hackunite.net) Received: from mail.hackunite.net ([213.112.193.12] [213.112.193.12]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with SMTP <20040628170600.DLEI3131.mxfep01.bredband.com@mail.hackunite.net>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:06:00 +0200 Received: from 213.112.193.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user z3l3zt@hackunite.net) by mail.hackunite.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:06:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4550.213.112.193.44.1088442413.squirrel@mail.hackunite.net> In-Reply-To: <200406281644.i5SGiM0h097809@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <200406281706.11188.matt@fruitsalad.org> <200406281644.i5SGiM0h097809@lurza.secnetix.de> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:06:53 +0200 (CEST) From: "Jesper Wallin" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: SquirrelMail 1.4.2 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Maximum uptime 497 days? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: z3l3zt@hackunite.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:06:03 -0000 Heya.. Heh, sure, I do agree that alot of people do almost everything to avoid a reboot.. but yet, MySQL (or any other daemon) is a quite bad example since it's not a part of the base system. You can update ALL kind of daemons without a reboot.. But sure, it's better to be safe than sorry and high uptime is mostly a lack of security but yet a proof of stability. :) Regards, Jesper Wallin > Matt Douhan wrote: > > On Monday 28 June 2004 16.03, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > Rob wrote: > > > > By accident I happen to come across this remarkable limit of > > > > uptime registration for FreeBSD systems. After 497 days, the > > > > timer jumps to zero again. > > > > > > > > 497 days is less than a 1.5 years ! > > > > > > I'd be very embarrassed to have machines with that a high > > > uptime -- It means that they haven't been updated for that > > > a long time and are probably full of security holes. ;-) > > > > why ? > > > > they may not be public machines at all and be isolated to an environment where > > security is not the primary concern > > You did notice the smiley, didn't you? > > But seriously, I think that the widespread uptime fetishism > is somewhat dangerous. People often try hard to avoid > rebooting machines, just in order to "save their precious > uptime", even if there are good reasons to reboot. > > A machine with 1.5 years of uptime -- be it in an isolated > environment or not -- has accumulated the bugs of 1.5 years > that have been fixed in the latest version of the OS, so to > speak. > > In fact there is software which I wouldn't want to run even > if it were outdated for only a few days. Mysql is one such > example. Every time I looked at the huge list of bugs that > have been fixed in the latest version, I almost got a heart > attack. (Changing to PostgreSQL was very healthy.) > > Those are just my opinions, of course, and YMMV. > > I'm very sorry, it got quite off-topic by now. > > Best regards > Oliver > > -- > Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München > Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author > and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. > > "One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, > lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination > of their C programs." > -- Robert Firth > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >