From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Jan 25 19:12:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086D214BF0E7; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 678CB6B508; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id n6tygS2w7MRX3n6tzgGnC7; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:12:32 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=TL87tGta c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=3JhidrIBZZsA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=kMf0utG4AAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=QsR1G9vt9al2VlgSkp0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=of2mfszF-hMA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=TTWE1O2ssfbasxdXZsrT:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from android-68f84e02b5988183.esitwifi.local (S0106788a207e2972.gv.shawcable.net [70.66.154.233]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E7BB1E47; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 11:13:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 11:12:06 -0800 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <3C023956-1B69-440E-844B-E09D0C7D9EBE@FreeBSD.org> References: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> <3C023956-1B69-440E-844B-E09D0C7D9EBE@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin , Adam CC: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" From: Cy Schubert Message-ID: <479572CC-DF40-4632-AB19-FB3830ABCDA3@cschubert.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNM8I9t369tlUQfE9E7U2nGndEySvfgqQuWjSMu49+xqXsKuYKuTOULoWa+LxfEQkTbIESBWMpXRii1hD3QzKFXjDKu6Z7EQiNfsJWhlUqyomyy0WAyh EZe5gi63qrm1JkYD5Qk3gs0QQyKVgxt8EuDihp6So2rWpEBTI1w2bCdBZyQFJlNwvXBywiqVqKivDmh3bpQc+l4e0YXS03NnuVhnw5Du1pzpGLmuTW/yJ3Cj lsGMJ2Ly+oE904Sois/cbHj5221OZovJkbGHBJtaRiA= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 678CB6B508 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:12:40 -0000 On January 25, 2019 10:26:58 AM PST, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > >Le 25 janvier 2019 18:41:51 GMT+01:00, Adam a >=C3=A9crit : >>On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:58 AM Baptiste Daroussin >>wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I would like to import mksh in base, https://www=2Emirbsd=2Eorg/mksh= =2Ehtm >>> And make it the default root shell (not necessary in one step) >>> >>> Why: >>> 1/ it is tiny 400k (in the packaged version) all other shells >fitting >>the >>> expectation are bigger >>> 2/ it's default frontend in interactive mode is very close to what >>most >>> people >>> are used to with bash and shells as default root shell on other BSD >>and >>> most >>> linuxes >>> 3/ from my narrow window csh as a default root shell is one of the >>major >>> complaint (usually the first thing a user get faced to) from new >>comers and >>> also for some long timers who are reinstalling a machine and have >not >>yet >>> installed/configured a bourne compatible shell >>> >>> What this proposal is _NOT_ about: >>> 1/ the removal of tcsh from base >>> 2/ any kid of denial of the quality and interest or features of csh >>> >>> What do you think? >>> Best regards, >>> Bapt >>> >> >>I do not wish to have a bash like root shell since imo its interactive >>mode >>isn't that great=2E I don't think conformity is a great argument for >>change >>in this regard=2E I don't see any other advantage to this change=2E I >>could >>be wrong but I also think it might be incorrect to say bash is the >>default >>root shell on other BSD's=2E > > >I am not saying bash is the default but bourne like shell on openbsd >for instance it is a variant or ksh which mksh is a fork of, for >example > >> >>If there is some change to the root shell, I'd rather see it to be zsh >>which does have a good interactive mode=2E > >zsh is big and evolving quickly, imho not a good candidate for base >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-arch@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list >https://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" Mksh is not a fork of ksh93=2E It is a fork of pdksh=2E If we are to impo= rt a ksh, let's import the real ksh=2E Not some clone=2E=20 --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E