From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Aug 23 14:58:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17622 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17617 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird.Think.COM (Early-Bird-1.Think.COM [131.239.146.105]) by mail.think.com (8.7.5/m3) with ESMTP id RAA18284; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compound.Think.COM (fergus-27.dialup.prtel.com [206.10.99.158]) by Early-Bird.Think.COM (8.7.5/e1) with ESMTP id RAA28969; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05012; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:58:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:58:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199608232158.QAA05012@compound.Think.COM> To: phk@critter.tfs.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Am I wrong or is this just stupid?r Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Poul-Henning Kamp on Fri, 23 August: : Pointing a finger at something and saying: "This is wrong" has : historically not been a method for encouraging progress. It's a good way to find out whether or not you are right about it, though. Accomplishing a fixed goal is relatively simple, in comparison to the difficulty of determine what is a valid goal. That's why I ignore certain folks when they gripe about people complaining rather than contributing. Much of the time they are not complaining. They are attempting to learn the true situation, to validate their ideas -- often in order that appropriate goals may be formulated. A little help over this hump may be necessary in order to obtain the contribution of productive effort. There is a certain chilling effect resulting from the known condition that patches submitted sometimes languish, for example. By determining whether a patch would be well recieved, one can better estimate the desirability of generating the patch.