From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 2 10:25:25 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E00E0B938 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:25:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC7BC80CB1 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:25:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1504347920; x=1506939920; h=x-thread-info:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RfRMmiAr41BKV9GtzRrm7FUDeaePL+bfPGC4gdLX9ck=; b=Tg48lH+wWJ/iyyFj39b+2aju6wzPWmDriz4Gn/ghM9VjbErARlREuCEDfnqRbBD4MpAPqIOaOIvmPcT+dIFydGM9nYplvG5j5vpN7qM49iwLFySD6XNGnOSZCpANvNx6obdixO4PNjlthpEw7SAOPls/bPZi7d+Qc7KEq1HDimg= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi5kZDAwMDAwMDZlNDU2Ny5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com [54.186.58.227]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 2 Sep 2017 05:25:02 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r2.us-west-2a.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 2 Sep 2017 05:25:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.89 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1do4fo-000EEI-Ms; Sat, 02 Sep 2017 09:25:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:25:04 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: [OT] two birds with one stone :) Message-Id: <20170902102504.a7a2e0e0ce37a77d83609946@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <60546.128.135.52.6.1503689924.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <20170816021959.R12950@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20170825203820.34094965.freebsd@edvax.de> <60546.128.135.52.6.1503689924.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 10:25:26 -0000 On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 14:38:44 -0500 (CDT) "Valeri Galtsev" wrote: > Well, outsourcing services to external companies is very familiar trend > wherever Microsoft brew bunch takes over top IT positions in the > organization... There has been an outsourcing/insourcing cycle going on since the 1960s outsourcing to save costs, insourcing to regain control and every time round the cycle some people get badly burned by outsourcing because they don't plan for it to all go horribly wrong. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith