From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 8 16:34:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BD337B401; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3087743F3F; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h48NYWwk018028; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h48NYW5t001517; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h48NYWWf001516; Thu, 8 May 2003 16:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:34:31 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Paul Richards Message-ID: <20030508233431.GA1461@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030501182820.GA53641@madman.celabo.org> <20030503201409.GA41554@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030505175428.GA19275@madman.celabo.org> <20030506170919.GD36798@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030506175557.GE79167@madman.celabo.org> <20030508161223.GL1869@survey.codeburst.net> <1052433233.619.27.camel@cf.freebsd-services.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1052433233.619.27.camel@cf.freebsd-services.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i cc: "Jacques A. Vidrine" cc: David O'Brien cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Subject: Re: `Hiding' libc symbols X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 23:34:37 -0000 On Thu, May 08, 2003 at 11:33:54PM +0100, Paul Richards wrote: > > > [...] > > > My opinion is that FreeBSD should cater to the people who know their > > > stuff and let the crap programmers out their be shown the bugs that > > > exist in their code when they try to use it on FreeBSD. > > > > Now I know why people accuse us of elitism... > > > > Let's please not favor pedantry over robustness. > > This isn't elitism. A professor or teacher is not elitist when they > correct the mistakes of less experienced pupils. FreeBSD should > highlight bad habits so people can see that they are making mistakes and > improve their skills. The arrogance and elitism is in the presumption that 1) you can teach and 2) people want to be taught by you (the universal you). Never assume the role of teacher merely on the grounds that your believes make you think you're right and you arrogance has made you believe that people should know about it. Your desire to enlighten may be nothing more than a demonstration of blindness in the light of rejection. Teach only to people you want to be taught by you. /me being arrogant and blind, :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net